Yup, on my personal 200, we've done them on customer 200's and many times on the Canguro Racing 200 Series.
We will be offering wheel bearing service kits for the rear (and front) of the 200 shortly.
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Yup, on my personal 200, we've done them on customer 200's and many times on the Canguro Racing 200 Series.
We will be offering wheel bearing service kits for the rear (and front) of the 200 shortly.
Yup, on my personal 200, we've done them on customer 200's and many times on the Canguro Racing 200 Series.
We will be offering wheel bearing service kits for the rear (and front) of the 200 shortly.
Average miles for replacement and driving conditions?
Well, the race car makes it 1200 miles between play, mine made it 120k before they catastrophically failed. I'd say a good thing to do every 100-150k
Will the kit make it any easier to replace the rear bearings?Yup, on my personal 200, we've done them on customer 200's and many times on the Canguro Racing 200 Series.
We will be offering wheel bearing service kits for the rear (and front) of the 200 shortly.
If you’re talking about a rock crawling rig OK. If you’re talking about Mall Cruisers then the 200 is no better then a Mercedes. New radiators every 100 thousand miles water pumps and starters every hundred thousand miles. Now you are talking rear axles R&R for 3 g’s every hundred to 150,000 miles that’s not a dependable vehicle. If you add in normal maintenance fluids and filters etc. you’re going to spend seven to $8000 minimum within the first 150 thousand miles just to keep it on the road. Most owners of LX’s and even land cruisers are not do it yourself guys JMHO
It will come with all of the needed parts. Short of shipping assembled axle shafts there isn't a way to make the install easier. We aim to make the parts acquisition easier. If someome wants to buy the new shafts and brake backing plates, we can assemble for free.
1. If you're paying $3k for a rear axle bearing job, your getting fleeced. I could ship a Harbor Freight press, fly down 1st Class with the parts, spend a half day swapping OE parts and still clear $$$$ at that price. Perhaps I should? Looks like the Lexus dealership got full pop Lexus retail on the parts and over $250/hr labor for the 8hr job? It should be a $1200-1500 job w/parts similar to knuckles on an 80 Series, timing belt/starters on a 100, etc.
2a. These are trucks used a fair amount offroad. In the case of my personal 200, 1000's of off-road miles each year with a heavy load and a heavier foot. I don't consider anything a 200 does "rock-crawling" fwiw. Doing Hells Revenge or Poison Spider Mesa isn't rock crawling
2b. I think many Cruiser owners in group 2a are on fact DIY folks based on the parts we are selling them. Perhaps they have labor and builds done by shops out of convenience or in the case of rear axles the SST needed to do the job.
The 80 needs a knuckle overhaul in similar mileage, the 100's have the same RAX bearing config. Nothing shockingly new.
Fwiw, I've done more bearings in the shop than radiators, in fact I'm at 125k? and still on a stock radiator. And I've seen 200's with light use get 250k on stock bearings... it's not exactly a leave you stranded deal.
10% cost of the of the vehicle for a decade of moderate/severe service. I'll say thats great!
1. If you're paying $3k for a rear axle bearing job, your getting fleeced. I could ship a Harbor Freight press, fly down 1st Class with the parts, spend a half day swapping OEO parts and still clear $$$$ at that price. Perhaps I should? Looks like the Lexus dealership got full pop Lexus retail on the parts and over $250/hr labor for the 8hr job? It should be a $1200-1500 job w/parts similar to knuckles on an 80 Series, timing belt/starters on a 100, etc.
2a. These are trucks used a fair amount offroad. In the case of my personal 200, 1000's of off-road miles each year with a heavy load and a heavier foot. I don't consider anything a 200 does "rock-crawling" fwiw. Doing Hells Revenge or Poison Spider Mesa isn't rock crawling
2b. I think many Cruiser owners in group 2a are on fact DIY folks based on the parts we are selling them. Perhaps they have labor and builds done by shops out of convenience or in the case of rear axles the SST needed to do the job.
The 80 needs a knuckle overhaul in similar mileage, the 100's have the same RAX bearing config. Nothing shockingly new.
Fwiw, I've done more bearings in the shop than radiators, in fact I'm at 125k? and still on a stock radiator. And I've seen 200's with light use get 250k on stock bearings... it's not exactly a leave you stranded deal.
10% cost of the of the vehicle for a decade of moderate/severe service. I'll say thats great!
Good info for a while there I was thinking everything was going to go to hell. My 2015 mall cruiser will have around 120,000 miles on it within 10 years and I’ll be 80, if I’m still alive, so you’re making me feel better about the LX outlasting me thanks for the input.
My 2011 LC (a trade-in at the PO’s local Lexus dealer) had 165,168 miles on it when traded in on a new LX570. I tracked the original owner down, and he said the only thing he ever replaced was a gas cap. He towed a horse trailer for several of those miles. YMMV, but not all LCs are high maintenance.
1. If you're paying $3k for a rear axle bearing job, your getting fleeced. I could ship a Harbor Freight press, fly down 1st Class with the parts, spend a half day swapping OE parts and still clear $$$$ at that price. Perhaps I should? Looks like the Lexus dealership got full pop Lexus retail on the parts and over $250/hr labor for the 8hr job? It should be a $1200-1500 job w/parts similar to knuckles on an 80 Series, timing belt/starters on a 100, etc.
2a. These are trucks used a fair amount offroad. In the case of my personal 200, 1000's of off-road miles each year with a heavy load and a heavier foot. I don't consider anything a 200 does "rock-crawling" fwiw. Doing Hells Revenge or Poison Spider Mesa isn't rock crawling
2b. I think many Cruiser owners in group 2a are on fact DIY folks based on the parts we are selling them. Perhaps they have labor and builds done by shops out of convenience or in the case of rear axles the SST needed to do the job.
The 80 needs a knuckle overhaul in similar mileage, the 100's have the same RAX bearing config. Nothing shockingly new.
Fwiw, I've done more bearings in the shop than radiators, in fact I'm at 125k? and still on a stock radiator. And I've seen 200's with light use get 250k on stock bearings... it's not exactly a leave you stranded deal.
10% cost of the of the vehicle for a decade of moderate/severe service. I'll say thats great!
Appreciate that you attached appropriate figures to this job. I’ll probably be due soon since I’m heavy and am not gentle with my truck.
Q for you, @cruiseroutfit
In your uniquely vast experience with rear bearings, how would you describe the time between early signs...and it being complete toast?
Wondering if I should preemptively do it...
In the Canguro 200 we regularly inspect for play, i.e. no more than 1200 miles and we are up on a lift doing a very intensive check. That simply isn't needed or warranted on even a severe tasked 200 so I'm afraid most like me will find out only when they suffer failure. I had zero noise or indications. Others notice a slight howl or what would otherwise be described as a dragging brake.
Ok. That answers what I wondered.
Asked bc I’m in the range of expectation, but zero signs.
Thank you.
I have a 2011 LX 570 bought last summer with 53,000 miles. Currently has 62000 miles. When I bought car in Dallas, I heard a slight noise at certain speeds. Tires were in awful shape. Replaced tires with BFG all terrains. After 2500 miles started hearing a "whining sound" at certain speeds. Took it back to tire shop 2-3 times. At 60k service Lexus told me it was tire being cupped.
Replaced tires with Michilin LT defenders ( BFG had a very slight cupping) Paid difference between tires. Now the "whining" is awful at speeds over 45mph. Took back to Lexus. Right rear bearing assembly failed. Lexus dealer charged $458 for parts labour was free ($330) due to their misdiagnosed of issue before.
Dealer told me that they haven't heard of this happening unless someone hit a curb. All rims on cars are in great shape. I think it might be a design flaw. No way these should fail at this age/mileage.
Replaced tires with Michilin LT defenders ( BFG had a very slight cupping) Paid difference between tires. Now the "whining" is awful at speeds over 45mph. Took back to Lexus. Right rear bearing assembly failed. Lexus dealer charged $458 for parts labour was free ($330) due to their misdiagnosed of issue before.
Dealer told me that they haven't heard of this happening unless someone hit a curb. All rims on cars are in great shape. I think it might be a design flaw. No way these should fail at this age/mileage.
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Not a design flaw maybe dealers correct before you bought the LX somebody hit a curb real hard
SWUtah, that was what the dealer told me as well. Glad to hear from a second source. I am hoping that was the case. Previous owner used car as family vacation mobile and grocery getter.
It's been here, just not that common. BOTH on my drivers side, front and rear, around 65k.
Will be interested in this kit from Cruiser Outfitters, and other DIY type service items as my 200 goes out of warranty this summer.
Anecdotal evidence, "my" 200 has had a fair bit of service related items over the last 5 years. It has never left me stranded, and is a solid truck, just not the same as the previous Toyota's I've owned.
I'm sure I'll end up needing this at some time in the next year or two... would love to see a write-up if anyone ends up doing it themselves.
Nearing 150k on mine and no complaints, but I plan to research the rear bearing change and am considering doing them as PM. Doesn't quite seem worth the work with no issues, but documenting this might be enough to push me over the edge.
Do it! Would love to learn from your write-up and parts list.
166k on our mall cruiser (we're 2nd owner, purchased from my Aunt).
I'm getting full monty brake job done and will ask the guys to check bearing play/noise. I'd do the brakes myself but . . . full time job, Field Hockey and Ski Race team Dad, blah blah blah and I have a great local independent shop to use.
I've not heard anything that makes me think we need bearings but I did think of it when contemplating this brake job, was wondering what people were doing, this seems to be the best thread to bump.
Back in my shop days we would check for play and also spin the wheels on the lift listening for any tell-tale grinding or 'friction' noises/feelings in the hubs. When they're going bad - it was pretty obvious. This was mostly Euro cars and they seemed to go through bearings faster than LCs. I did plenty on VWs, Audis, BMWs, Volvos, Mercedes and Porsches back then. Jags too. Oh and Saabs. Good old Saabs. Favorite whine noise was from my 83 900 5 speed I bought off a customer - the clock quit at 241k miles - and it had been driven years since then - the ring and pinion howled under the right torque - still she got me from A to B.
I'm getting full monty brake job done and will ask the guys to check bearing play/noise. I'd do the brakes myself but . . . full time job, Field Hockey and Ski Race team Dad, blah blah blah and I have a great local independent shop to use.
I've not heard anything that makes me think we need bearings but I did think of it when contemplating this brake job, was wondering what people were doing, this seems to be the best thread to bump.
Back in my shop days we would check for play and also spin the wheels on the lift listening for any tell-tale grinding or 'friction' noises/feelings in the hubs. When they're going bad - it was pretty obvious. This was mostly Euro cars and they seemed to go through bearings faster than LCs. I did plenty on VWs, Audis, BMWs, Volvos, Mercedes and Porsches back then. Jags too. Oh and Saabs. Good old Saabs. Favorite whine noise was from my 83 900 5 speed I bought off a customer - the clock quit at 241k miles - and it had been driven years since then - the ring and pinion howled under the right torque - still she got me from A to B.