Diesel swap - 2L-T into 22R pick up
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Neighbor was hooking his mini-truck up behind his chev4x4 for towing up to PG tomorrow. His 2L(T) has issues too but his fault this time. He left it with the head off and not properly covered. Somehow water got in and started rusting his cylinders. He's sleaving. Said it is already bored out to max, so it has to be sleaved. This is his second 2L with a ubrew turbo. Funny, the first thing he asked me when I told him about your 2Ls was "are the heads cracked? Hope things are working out better with the donor engines.
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Well if he sleeves it tell him to watch out for that same area as mine. It's looking more and more like the sleeve cracked it. May not have been machined enough, or who knows.
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Well the good news continues.....he says sarcastically.
I ripped the head off and found that the valve seats were sleeved as well and there are cracks between the valves. Now the cracks seem to be stopped at the sleeves (kind of like the block), but I have no idea if there are chambers between the valves in this head. I've tried posting on toyotadiesel.com but having issues with the site and posting photos.
Anyone here knows if there are any chambers behind this? I'm guessing the head is shot but since it was patched, makes me wonder, have the sleeves stopped the crack and if there is no cooling or oil chamber between the valves, what's the harm?
I ripped the head off and found that the valve seats were sleeved as well and there are cracks between the valves. Now the cracks seem to be stopped at the sleeves (kind of like the block), but I have no idea if there are chambers between the valves in this head. I've tried posting on toyotadiesel.com but having issues with the site and posting photos.
Anyone here knows if there are any chambers behind this? I'm guessing the head is shot but since it was patched, makes me wonder, have the sleeves stopped the crack and if there is no cooling or oil chamber between the valves, what's the harm?
Those valve seats actually look stock, most heads have hardened valve seats pressed into them. The bad luck never seems to stop, those cracks look significant.
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I don't know, all of the photos I've seen of these heads don't have that. They look cut into the head and not an insert. But I don't know for sure.
At this rate I'm not even sure if it's worth testing or just sell all the good parts I have and buy something else.
Hopefully I'll get some info from others that have ripped these engines apart before.
At this rate I'm not even sure if it's worth testing or just sell all the good parts I have and buy something else.
Hopefully I'll get some info from others that have ripped these engines apart before.
^agreed w Jeremy on both points. Those inserts look normal to most engines.
The second and third photos look like the cracks may have been weeping coolant from the discolouration. That head looks NFG. Hope the block is better...
The second and third photos look like the cracks may have been weeping coolant from the discolouration. That head looks NFG. Hope the block is better...
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Yes, confirmed by our awesome, resident expert, John at ATEB. It's done and garbage. F%&k
So unless someone has an older style 2LT head for me, or a complete, newer one (the valves and cam and rockers are all different), then this build is done. Oh, and I am not spending $1500-2000 on the stupid head.
Looks like I'm selling the nicely rebuilt injector pump and a couple other goodies I have acquired over the course of this BS failure of a build.
You'll shortly see a bunch of 2L parts on craigs.
On a side note, I still have a 22R engine that runs like s*** that needs replacing before it dies and I'm totally without a truck. a diesel would be nice but at this rate I doubt I'll have an easy install.
Yes, I could take the 3B out of the blue truck, with large blowby, 570,000kms on it and install it into the pick up, spend tons more time on it, have to make new engine mounts, new transmission mounts, new driveshafts, and likely have the engine slowly die on me because let's face it, it's old and she's been pushed hard. But that is not going to be a weekend swap.
So I'm open to useful suggestions that don't involve $3000, and essentially rebuilding everything to make it work.
So unless someone has an older style 2LT head for me, or a complete, newer one (the valves and cam and rockers are all different), then this build is done. Oh, and I am not spending $1500-2000 on the stupid head.
Looks like I'm selling the nicely rebuilt injector pump and a couple other goodies I have acquired over the course of this BS failure of a build.
You'll shortly see a bunch of 2L parts on craigs.
On a side note, I still have a 22R engine that runs like s*** that needs replacing before it dies and I'm totally without a truck. a diesel would be nice but at this rate I doubt I'll have an easy install.
Yes, I could take the 3B out of the blue truck, with large blowby, 570,000kms on it and install it into the pick up, spend tons more time on it, have to make new engine mounts, new transmission mounts, new driveshafts, and likely have the engine slowly die on me because let's face it, it's old and she's been pushed hard. But that is not going to be a weekend swap.
So I'm open to useful suggestions that don't involve $3000, and essentially rebuilding everything to make it work.
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Sorry to hear, that is incredibly frustrating. I am going to go have a beer in sympathy. I am, predictably, absolutely no help....
Sorry to hear, that is incredibly frustrating. I am going to go have a beer in sympathy. I am, predictably, absolutely no help....
NOOOOOOO!
I wonder if u can low ball a guy a few blocks away for his 2LT pickup that has been sitting there in the same spot all year....
I wonder if u can low ball a guy a few blocks away for his 2LT pickup that has been sitting there in the same spot all year....
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Thanks Graham, your condolences are appreciated though. Guess it was my turn to have bad luck with a build, but at least some lessons were learned, I will never again buy something with a rebuilt engine, ever. And I recommend the same to anyone else, unless you have some really good proof that the work was done well, like for example if Jeremy ever sells his truck, it's likely not worth the risk. On the outside it all looked great, and then rotten crap on the inside.
Enjoy the beer, I've moved on to scotch for solace.
Enjoy the beer, I've moved on to scotch for solace.
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I don't even want to spend any more money on this, unless something amazing comes up for under $1000, I'm not touching it.
If I can sell everything or most of it, there is a guy selling an L engine, it's a 2.2L early diesel, with 175,000km, in a running 2WD truck, never rebuilt, asking $1000. I will only buy it (and promptly turbo the crap out of it) if I sell some of the bigger bits.
Coincidentally:
http://vancouver.en.craigslist.ca/bnc/pts/4002820525.html
If I can sell everything or most of it, there is a guy selling an L engine, it's a 2.2L early diesel, with 175,000km, in a running 2WD truck, never rebuilt, asking $1000. I will only buy it (and promptly turbo the crap out of it) if I sell some of the bigger bits.
Coincidentally:
http://vancouver.en.craigslist.ca/bnc/pts/4002820525.html
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Yikes, some hard learned lessons there...that just sucks.
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Thanks guys, oh well, off to find brighter and better prospects.
Damn Mat that sucks! I have had a few projects go south like that myself and know how gutting it can be.
Hope what ever you do next brings with it a bit more luck. I personally would stay away from anything with a 2 or L in its engine code.
Hope what ever you do next brings with it a bit more luck. I personally would stay away from anything with a 2 or L in its engine code.
I presume it will not involve a 2L or 2LT. Sorry to hear about how this has gone soooo far South on you. You put a lot of time and money into it. That 3B is looking a lot better now. Or hell, even the 22R with a rebuilt carb or aftermarket fuel injection (if they make one for it).
This kinda happened to me many years ago - I bought an old British car (cheap and temporary) to allow me to do some major work on my primary vehicle. It only had to a last 1 month - two weeks into it the temporary car's tranny blew-up on the way to work – at the time I worked at Vancouver Plywood out on SE Marine Drive, I was living in Kits at the time.
I then had to borrow my good friends old Dodge to go to some god forsaken wrecker out in the wilds of Surrey to get a used tranny for my 'temporary' car. And on the way back - guess what -- the rear wheel cylinder blew out on the old Dodge–
Now I had 3 frickin sh*tboxes to fix – my two sh*tboxes and the old sh*tbox dodge.
I think I may have learned something that day, but I now I can't remember .
I then had to borrow my good friends old Dodge to go to some god forsaken wrecker out in the wilds of Surrey to get a used tranny for my 'temporary' car. And on the way back - guess what -- the rear wheel cylinder blew out on the old Dodge–
Now I had 3 frickin sh*tboxes to fix – my two sh*tboxes and the old sh*tbox dodge.
I think I may have learned something that day, but I now I can't remember .
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Well Glenn, I hope my luck streak doesn't follow yours. The 22R just died, spun a bearing. Now I'm driving Sopel's Cruiser.
...and looking for a motor...
...and looking for a motor...