Forgot you are looking for a starter, too. I think the 5.9 should have the same one. Does this one work for you?
Cummins 4bt into my FJ60
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Here's some info I had saved up:
Cummins 4BT CPL858 Starter Cross References:
Starter, Nipondenso, Cummins 3904466, Nipondenso
Starter cross reference numbers:
Bosch SR9948X
Case 104452A1, 104452A2R, 1987559CI, 1987586C1, A170745, A170746, A181056
Cummins 3604485RX, 3604660RX, 3675154RX, 3904466, 3920403, 3920643, 3926960, 3957594
Delco 10461636, 10465532, 10465533, 10465540
Denso 128000-0210, 128000-0211, 128000-0212, 128000-0213, 128000-0214, 128000-0215, 128000-0216, 128000-0540, 128000-0541, 128000-0542, 128000-0543, 128000-0544, 128000-0545, 128000-2270, 128000-2271, 128000-2272, 128000-2273, 128000-2480, 128000-3120, 128000-3121, 128000-3122, 128000-3123, 128000-9500, 128000-9501, 128000-9502, 128000-9503, 228000-0620, 228000-0621, 228000-0622, 228000-0623, 228000-1950, 228000-1951, 228000-1952, 228000-1953, 228000-4670, 228000-4671, 228000-9100, 9712809-021, 9712809-950
Dixie S8254, S8299, S8534
International Truck 1308066H91, 1987559C1
Kubota 15461-63015
The P30 Chevy starter may be listed as an industrial equipment type.
And some more:
Cummins 4BT CPL-858 Part Numbers used in Chevy P-30 Vans
Alternator mounting bracket, for Delco type 10SI, mounts to upper water outlet – Cummins 3910718
Clutch Fork – General Motors 14066235
Bellhousing – General Motors 460486 (casting number)
Bellhousing to engine adapter – Cummins 3916101 rev 005 (with hole cover Cummins 3908095 and breather tube holder Cummins 3909670 & 16 mm thick starter spacer-Cummins 3906647
Flywheel, standard shift for SM465 4 speed transmission – Cummins 3913056
Flywheel to crankshaft bolts, Cummins 3901395, 8 each required
Manifold, exhaust, rear outlet – Cummins 3912600
Outlet, water, lower, neck points toward radiator – Cummins 3916626
Pump, power steering – NAPA 20-8709
Starter, Nipondenso, Cummins 3904466, Nipondenso 128000-0540
Cummins 4BT CPL858 Starter Cross References:
Starter, Nipondenso, Cummins 3904466, Nipondenso
Starter cross reference numbers:
Bosch SR9948X
Case 104452A1, 104452A2R, 1987559CI, 1987586C1, A170745, A170746, A181056
Cummins 3604485RX, 3604660RX, 3675154RX, 3904466, 3920403, 3920643, 3926960, 3957594
Delco 10461636, 10465532, 10465533, 10465540
Denso 128000-0210, 128000-0211, 128000-0212, 128000-0213, 128000-0214, 128000-0215, 128000-0216, 128000-0540, 128000-0541, 128000-0542, 128000-0543, 128000-0544, 128000-0545, 128000-2270, 128000-2271, 128000-2272, 128000-2273, 128000-2480, 128000-3120, 128000-3121, 128000-3122, 128000-3123, 128000-9500, 128000-9501, 128000-9502, 128000-9503, 228000-0620, 228000-0621, 228000-0622, 228000-0623, 228000-1950, 228000-1951, 228000-1952, 228000-1953, 228000-4670, 228000-4671, 228000-9100, 9712809-021, 9712809-950
Dixie S8254, S8299, S8534
International Truck 1308066H91, 1987559C1
Kubota 15461-63015
The P30 Chevy starter may be listed as an industrial equipment type.
And some more:
Cummins 4BT CPL-858 Part Numbers used in Chevy P-30 Vans
Alternator mounting bracket, for Delco type 10SI, mounts to upper water outlet – Cummins 3910718
Clutch Fork – General Motors 14066235
Bellhousing – General Motors 460486 (casting number)
Bellhousing to engine adapter – Cummins 3916101 rev 005 (with hole cover Cummins 3908095 and breather tube holder Cummins 3909670 & 16 mm thick starter spacer-Cummins 3906647
Flywheel, standard shift for SM465 4 speed transmission – Cummins 3913056
Flywheel to crankshaft bolts, Cummins 3901395, 8 each required
Manifold, exhaust, rear outlet – Cummins 3912600
Outlet, water, lower, neck points toward radiator – Cummins 3916626
Pump, power steering – NAPA 20-8709
Starter, Nipondenso, Cummins 3904466, Nipondenso 128000-0540
Based on the numbers Cullman posted up, I don't think either the spacer or starter I have will work for you. You're welcome to try them out if you like, though...
That is some awesome information!! Thank you!
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Thanks again Dave.
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That is some great info to have, I'll have to save it somewhere.
The one you have is a three hole starter and the ones for CPL 858, I think, are two hole. I do remember someone on 4BTswaps saying that they had made a 3 hole starter work with a two hole application. Let me search...
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You're right, I don't think this starter will work. Darn it! I looked at the adapter I have this morning and I don't think the holes would line up with the spacer either. Thanks though!
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Thanks Dave. I used the numbers you and Cullman provided and did some searches. It's not the low $150 I was hoping to find for a starter, but I can get the Bosch starter that is listed for just over $235 from Summit. Not a bad price considering that NAPA can get the same starter for me for $350.
I'm inclined to go for a new starter and a big name because it gets so cold here in the winter. Sure, I'm putting in three different heating systems to insure starting, but I would like to know the starter is solid too.
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If you guys haven't checked out Legacy Classic Trucks: Classic and Vintage Trucks | Legacy Classic Trucks , do so. He builds some of the nicest looking trucks you will come accross (Not Toyotas). This guy is here in town and has always been very nice. One of his employees has an FJ60 with a Cummins 4bt in it. I went over to see the FJ60 last night, but it wasn't there. But, the owner of Legacy Trucks, who gets as excited about a build as anyone (His or yours), started digging out parts. He had the hard to find alternator bracket for a 4bt, forklift isolators (Engine mounts that are super squishy), the Dakota Digital tach sender, 4000 RPM springs, a fan hub (I decided to go with a different one), electrical switches, and a whole bunch of cool ideas I couldn't afford. Score! I'm just waiting on the prices.
Cool you found some parts.
Sidenote: Are you sure they do not do Toyota's ?
Seems like cool people good find.
Sidenote: Are you sure they do not do Toyota's ?
Seems like cool people good find.
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I just didn't want to have you guys think you were going over to see a bunch of nice FJ60s. He will, in fact, build anything you want. He is actually a BIG FJ60 guy for his own vehicle. He used to have FJ60 with a ramjet, corporate 14s, 38s, etc, etc... He really inspired me to go further.
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I copied it to a Word doc and saved it that way. Plus, you can print it and take it with you to the parts store.
Starter mounting patterns
I did some digging into the various mounting dimensions for starters and this is what I've found:
Starter mounting flanges are covered under SAE J542. There are 5 mounts.
SAE #1 - Medium duty. 3 bolt holes, 0.42-0.43" diameter, 0°, 90°, and 180° apart, on a 5" diameter bolt circle. register (pilot) diameter is 3.495-3.499". This is what dodge uses, and what is most common on the B series.
SAE #2 - Heavy Duty. not common. Same as SAE #3 below, but with 0.42-0.43" diameter bolt holes.
SAE #3 - Heavy Duty. 3 bolt holes, 0.6542-0.6642" diameter, all 120° apart, on a 5.75" diameter bolt circle. Register diameter is 3.620-3.624". This is common on the larger diesels, like the C series and up.
SAE #4 - Light Duty. 2 bolt holes, 0.4667-0.4767" diameter, 180° apart, on a 4.125" diameter bolt circle. Register diameter is 3.245-3.249". This sounds like what you have.
SAE #5 - Light Duty. 2 bolt holes, 0.4667-0.4767" diameter, 180° apart, on a 5.5" diameter bolt circle. Register diameter is 3.245-3.249".
Of course, this is not to be confused with SAE #1,2,3,4 etc flywheel housings. A #2 flywheel housing can have a #1 or #3 starter mount, depending on application. I don't think the adapter you have is covered under the SAE spec, but I imagine the starter mounting pattern is, and is either a #4 or #5.
Now don't get me started on ring gear designations... That is as confusing as it comes.
I did some digging into the various mounting dimensions for starters and this is what I've found:
Starter mounting flanges are covered under SAE J542. There are 5 mounts.
SAE #1 - Medium duty. 3 bolt holes, 0.42-0.43" diameter, 0°, 90°, and 180° apart, on a 5" diameter bolt circle. register (pilot) diameter is 3.495-3.499". This is what dodge uses, and what is most common on the B series.
SAE #2 - Heavy Duty. not common. Same as SAE #3 below, but with 0.42-0.43" diameter bolt holes.
SAE #3 - Heavy Duty. 3 bolt holes, 0.6542-0.6642" diameter, all 120° apart, on a 5.75" diameter bolt circle. Register diameter is 3.620-3.624". This is common on the larger diesels, like the C series and up.
SAE #4 - Light Duty. 2 bolt holes, 0.4667-0.4767" diameter, 180° apart, on a 4.125" diameter bolt circle. Register diameter is 3.245-3.249". This sounds like what you have.
SAE #5 - Light Duty. 2 bolt holes, 0.4667-0.4767" diameter, 180° apart, on a 5.5" diameter bolt circle. Register diameter is 3.245-3.249".
Of course, this is not to be confused with SAE #1,2,3,4 etc flywheel housings. A #2 flywheel housing can have a #1 or #3 starter mount, depending on application. I don't think the adapter you have is covered under the SAE spec, but I imagine the starter mounting pattern is, and is either a #4 or #5.
Now don't get me started on ring gear designations... That is as confusing as it comes.
I am a geeky engineer. I dig this stuff. I figured that info might be good to save for posterity since it was tough to find, so I posted it in your thread. Hopefully it arms you a bit better when going to the parts guys. I do have access to a lot of the spec's and standards through work. Not all (no IBC's), but most of the SAE, ASME, ANSI, and similar. I will gladly look up stuff during my breaks for people if they want!
Is there any merit to using the adapter off of a 94-98.5 dodge? I believe those trucks came with a NV4500, and used the three bolt #1 starter. Might be worth considering if the starter you require is not a common stock item.
Is there any merit to using the adapter off of a 94-98.5 dodge? I believe those trucks came with a NV4500, and used the three bolt #1 starter. Might be worth considering if the starter you require is not a common stock item.
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I have a Chevy bellhousing hooked to a Ranger and then an H55. I want to keep them. Your info is getting me close though. Thanks.
Roger that. Why I thought you were doing something different there is beyond me.
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Your brain was fried from looking up those numbers! Lol.
