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80 compared to G500

[quote author=Pitbull link=board=2;threadid=13015;start=msg120566#msg120566 date=1079187791]
Dan, just wondering but could this have anything to do with your problem? "blown,water/methanol injected" noticed this in your sig. ;)
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Pit, :D

Not really, you see I have had "grey matter" present in my engine for years, well pre-dating blower installation. The blower has been on there for 3 1/2 years and 41,000 miles. I imagine that if it was an issue, the head would have flown off some time ago. :D
 
Re:80 compared to G500

Phil,

I understand your point, but don't take my word for it that the 80 series is an astonishingly high quality vehicle. Check the data. Problems per 100 vehicles, JD Powers, etc.

I'm also not a "company man", having owned more non-Toyota vehicles in my life than Toyotas and I haven't worked for Toyota for 12 years. I'll again state that there is no achilles heel on the 80 series, which means there is no chronic recurring problem, no widespread problem and no major design flaws on the vehicle. You are free to disagree, but it might be worth your time to research the data on the real world reliability of the 80 series.

Seriously. Spend a couple days looking at a Rover forum as someone mentioned above. On our board you'll see minor issues here and there. On those boards you'll see threads titled "My rear diff grenaded while driving to Grandma's house - anyone else?" and 45 others chime in that the same thing happened. Quality wise, we here on the 80 list live in a completely different neighborhood...

DougM
 
80 compared to G500

"company man", heh. He has some good strories about driving a Wolfsburg Jetta to work at GM headquarters in the late 80s, when resentment of "foreign" cars was at it's most hostile.
 
80 compared to G500

Well I've been fortuneate to get a slightly used radiator from a forum member. He's ask me to send him the tranny cooler part back. After removing this part I'll check for some of that grey stuff. If there is some I'll save it and if someone can tell me where to send it I will.
 
80 compared to G500

[quote author=Scott M. link=board=2;threadid=13015;start=msg120731#msg120731 date=1079218668]
"company man", heh. He has some good strories about driving a Wolfsburg Jetta to work at GM headquarters in the late 80s, when resentment of "foreign" cars was at it's most hostile.
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My bro's Corolla was totaled by vandals when he drove it to work at a GM plant in the 80's. He then bought a Sprint to commute in.
 
80 compared to G500

I had several offers in on G series just 1 month ago.

I found out all of them were rough and had been scoped out by the G crowd...with negative results.

I like the idea of a G...Mercedes makes stock springs for weight differences (which equals stock lift springs).

No issues with drivelines, etc.

You can even get a 6 inch lift that they use the springs for the pope-mobile!

I love my 80, and will build it out in due time, but if I can get a G for a decent price I am jumping.
 
Re:80 compared to G500

>> ... if someone can tell me where to send it I will. <<

And I'll chip in via PayPal (or whatever) to help pay for the analysis.

-B-
 
80 compared to G500

Snapshot responses to above:

Like the G, the 80 also has stock springs that vary by load - different spring goes in if you have a third seat, etc.

Yes, I would not be easily accused of being a company man and indeed did buy a new Jetta GLI the month before I showed up at GM headquarters for my new job.

This happened around 1984 in Detroit when import bashing was at its height. One day, a guy's brother I knew parked his new Civic at the local grocery store in Detroit. While checking out, he watched through the front window as a guy in an old domestic pickup intentionally slam his door into the Civic. He watched the guy walk in as he finished checking out. Then he went out to his car, put the groceries in, started the car and pulled a ball peen hammer out from under the seat. He then proceeded to bash every pane of glass out of the truck and whacked every panel several times before jumping in and taking off. Justice served. My own beloved 80 was a victim of this as well. Right in front of me and my biggest buddy, a guy slammed his door into the side of the Cruiser then did it again before walking away. We caught up to him immediately and the asshat denied it. Not willing to go to jail over a door nick, I confirmed it was just paint damage before deciding not to call the police. Plus he was an old man, and it just didn't seem right going off on a guy that may have fought in WW2 or something - I have a soft heart for vets.

On the grey stuff, I'll also contribute, and someone who's good at searching should find the thread we last discussed this in because someone in that thread offered to analyze it in the lab or something they worked at if we'd pay for it.

DougM
 
Re:80 compared to G500

If you go into the archives of the 80's cool this subject was mentioned and some links were posted about the 80's vs Gwagons over in germany. The germans liked the 80 over the g-wagon for the toughness and reliability. If you think japanese parts are expensive then try harder to get german parts. I do think it would be fun to wheel those expencive truck. later robbie
 
Re:80 compared to G500

Doug and others,

Here is the thread and Seminole volunteered to try and have the analysis done for no charge.

This is what the sludge looks like.
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80 compared to G500

Here are the overall comparison data.
G-Class G500 Land Cruiser 4WD
Base Retail Price (MSRP) $76,900 $54,225
Base Invoice Price N/A $47,446
Kelley Blue Book Price N/A N/A
Destination Charge $720 $540
Engines & Power
Standard Engine 5.0L 292 hp V8 4.7L 235 hp V8
Transmissions
5-Speed Automatic Overdrive 5-Speed Automatic Overdrive
Fuel Economy
City (mpg) 13 13
Highway (mpg) 14 17
Comfort & Convenience
Sunroof Opt. Std.
Air Conditioning Std. Std.
Power Windows Std. Std.
Power Door Locks Std. Std.
Leather Seats Std. Std.
Power Seats Std. Std.
Max. Seating 5 8
Entertainment
Cassette Player N/A Std.
CD Player Std. Std.
Nav. System Std. N/A
Safety
Airbags Driver/Psngr Driver/Psngr/Side
ABS Brakes Std. Std.
Traction Control Std. Std.
Stability Control Std. Std.
NHTSA Crash Test Results
Frontal Crash Test Not tested Not tested
Side Crash Test Not tested Not tested
Model Warranty
Basic (mo.) 48 36
Basic (mi.) 50,000 36,000
Powertrain (mo.) 48 60
Powertrain (mi.) 50,000 60,000
Rust (mo.) 48 60
Rust (mi.) 50,000 Unlimited
Final Assembly
Location Austria Japan
 
80 compared to G500

Here are some more compared data.
Exterior Dimensions & Weight
2004 G-Class G500 2004 Land Cruiser 4WD
Curb Weight - Automatic (lb.) 5423 5390
Curb Weight - Manual (lb.) No data No data
Wheelbase (in.) 112.20 112.20
Length (in.) 185.60 192.50
Width (in.) 71.30 76.40
Height (in.) 77.80 73.20
Track Front (in.) 59.60 63.80
Track Rear (in.) 59.60 63.60
Ground Clearance (in.) 8.30 9.80
Interior Dimensions
Standard Seating 5 8
Optional Seating No data No data
Front Headroom (in.) 42.20 39.20
Rear Headroom (in.) 40.00 39.10
Front Legroom (in.) 52.50 42.30
Rear Legroom (in.) 41.90 34.30
Front Shoulder Room (in.) 53.70 62.40
Rear Shoulder Room (in.) 56.30 61.20
Front Hip Room (in.) 51.50 58.60
Rear Hip Room (in.) 53.90 57.90
Payload & Towing
Passenger Volume (cu. ft.) 124.00 135.20
Cargo Volume (cu. ft.) 45.20 20.80
Standard Towing (lb.) 7000 6500
Max Towing (lb.) 7000 6500
Standard Payload (lb.) 1411 1470
Max Payload (lb.) 1411 1470
Standard GVWR (lb.) 6834 6860
Max GVWR (lb.) 6834 6860
Cargo Area Dimensions
Length (in.) No data 46.30
Width at Wheelwell (in.) No data 42.60
Width at Wall (in.) No data 58.10
Depth (in.) No data 42.70
Steering, Suspension & Brakes
Turning Diameter (ft.) 43.50 39.70
Steering Type Recirc R&P
Front Suspension Live Ind
Rear Suspension Live Live
Tires 265/60R18 275/65R17
Anti-Theft & Locks
Child Safety Door Locks N/A Std.
Locking Pickup Truck Tailgate N/A N/A
Power Door Locks Std. Std.
Vehicle Anti-Theft Std. Std.
Braking & Traction
4 Wheel Drive/All Wheel Drive Std. Std.
ABS Brakes (2 or 4 Wheel) Std. Std.
Automatic Load-Leveling N/A N/A
Electronic Brake Assistance Std. Std.
Limited Slip Differential or Axle N/A N/A
Locking Differential Std. Std.
Traction Control Std. Std.
Vehicle Stability Control System Std. Std.
Entertainment, Communication & Navigation
Radio Std. Std.
Cassette Player N/A Std.
CD Player Std. Std.
CD Changer Std. Std.
DVD Player N/A Opt.
Hands Free or Voice Activated Telephone Opt. N/A
Navigational Aid Std. N/A
Second Row Sound Controls/Accessories N/A Std.
Subwoofer Std. Std.
Telematic Systems Std. N/A
Exterior Lighting
Automatic Headlights Std. Std.
Daytime Running Lights Std. Std.
Fog Lights Std. Std.
High Intensity Discharge Headlights N/A N/A
Pickup Truck Cargo Box Light N/A N/A
Exterior
Bodyside/Cab Step or Running Board Std. Opt.
Front Air Dam N/A Std.
Rear Spoiler N/A N/A
Skid Plate or Underbody Protection Std. Std.
Splash or Mud Guards N/A Std.
Wind Deflector or Buffer for Convertibles N/A N/A
Power Sliding Side Van Door N/A N/A
Power Trunk Lid N/A N/A
Heating, Ventilation & Air Conditioning
Air Conditioning Std. Std.
Separate Driver/Front Passenger Climate Controls Std. N/A
Interior
Cruise Control Std. Std.
Tachometer Std. Std.
Tilt Steering Std. Std.
Tilt Steering Column Std. Std.
Heated Steering Wheel N/A N/A
Leather Steering Wheel Std. Std.
Steering Wheel Mounted Controls Std. Std.
Telescopic Steering Column Std. Std.
Adjustable Foot Pedals N/A N/A
Genuine Wood Trim Std. Opt.
Tire Inflation/Pressure Monitor N/A N/A
Trip Computer Std. N/A
Remote Controls & Remote Releases
Keyless Entry (Remote Lock/Unlock) Std. Std.
Remote Ignition N/A N/A
Safety
Driver Airbag Std. Std.
Front Side Airbag N/A Opt.
Front Side Airbag with Head Protection N/A N/A
Passenger Airbag Std. Std.
Side Head Curtain Airbags N/A Opt.
Second Row Side Airbag N/A N/A
Second Row Side Airbag with Head Protection N/A N/A
Power Windows Std. Std.
Electronic Parking Aid Std. N/A
First Aid Kit Std. N/A
Trunk Anti-Trap Device N/A N/A
Seats
Driver Multi-Adjustable Power Seat Std. Std.
Front Cooled Seats N/A N/A
Front Heated Seat Std. Std.
Front Power Lumbar Support Std. Std.
Front Power Memory Seat Std. N/A
Front Split Bench Seat N/A N/A
Leather Seat Std. Std.
Passenger Multi-Adjustable Power Seat Std. Std.
Second Row Folding Seat Std. Std.
Second Row Heated Seat Std. N/A
Second Row Multi-Adjustable Power Seat N/A N/A
Second Row Removable Seat N/A N/A
Third Row Removable Seat N/A Std.
Storage
Cargo Area Cover Std. N/A
Cargo Area Tiedowns Std. Std.
Cargo Net Std. Opt.
Load Bearing Exterior Rack N/A N/A
Pickup Truck Bed Liner N/A N/A
Roof
Power Sunroof/Moonroof Opt. Std.
Removable/Convertible Top N/A N/A
Manual Sunroof/Moonroof Opt. Std.
Towing
Tow Hitch Receiver Opt. Opt.
Towing Prep. Package N/A N/A
Wheels & Tires
Alloy Wheels Std. Std.
Chrome Wheels N/A N/A
Full Size Spare Tire Std. Std.
Self Sealing/Run Flat Tires N/A N/A
Steel Wheels N/A N/A
Windows, Mirrors & Wipers
Power Windows Std. Std.
Exterior Auto. Day/Night or Electrochromic Mirror N/A N/A
Glass Rear Window on Convertible N/A N/A
Heated Exterior Mirror Std. Std.
Interior Auto. Day/Night or Electrochromic Mirror Std. Std.
Power Adjustable Exterior Mirror Std. Std.
Privacy Glass or Deep Tinted Glass Std. Std.
Interval Wipers Std. Std.
Rain Sensing Wipers Std. N/A
Rear Window Defogger Std. Std.
Rear Wiper Std. Std.
Sliding Rear Pickup Truck Window N/A N/A
 
Re:80 compared to G500

Your comparison charts are terrible. Just an FYI.
 
Re:80 compared to G500

Agreed.

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Here are the overall comparison data.
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G-Class G500 Land Cruiser 4WD
Base Retail Price (MSRP) $76,900 $54,225
Base Invoice Price N/A $47,446
Kelley Blue Book Price N/A N/A
Destination Charge $720 $540
Engines & Power
Standard Engine 5.0L 292 hp V8 4.7L 235 hp V8
Transmissions
5-Spd Auto OD 5-Spd Auto OD
Fuel Economy
City (mpg) 13 13
Highway (mpg) 14 17
Comfort & Convenience
Sunroof Opt. Std.
Air Conditioning Std. Std.
Power Windows Std. Std.
Power Door Locks Std. Std.
Leather Seats Std. Std.
Power Seats Std. Std.
Max. Seating 5 8
Entertainment
Cassette Player N/A Std.
CD Player Std. Std.
Nav. System Std. N/A
Safety
Airbags Driver/Psngr Driver/Psngr/Side
ABS Brakes Std. Std.
Traction Control Std. Std.
Stability Control Std. Std.
NHTSA Crash Test Results
Frontal Crash Test Not tested Not tested
Side Crash Test Not tested Not tested
Model Warranty
Basic (mo.) 48 36
Basic (mi.) 50,000 36,000
Powertrain (mo.) 48 60
Powertrain (mi.) 50,000 60,000
Rust (mo.) 48 60
Rust (mi.) 50,000 Unlimited
Final Assembly Location Austria Japan


Exterior Dimensions & Weight
2004 G-Class G500 2004 Land Cruiser 4WD
Curb Weight - Automatic (lb.) 5423 5390
Curb Weight - Manual (lb.) No data No data
Wheelbase (in.) 112.20 112.20
Length (in.) 185.60 192.50
Width (in.) 71.30 76.40
Height (in.) 77.80 73.20
Track Front (in.) 59.60 63.80
Track Rear (in.) 59.60 63.60
Ground Clearance (in.) 8.30 9.80
Interior Dimensions
Standard Seating 5 8
Optional Seating No data No data
Front Headroom (in.) 42.20 39.20
Rear Headroom (in.) 40.00 39.10
Front Legroom (in.) 52.50 42.30
Rear Legroom (in.) 41.90 34.30
Front Shoulder Room (in.) 53.70 62.40
Rear Shoulder Room (in.) 56.30 61.20
Front Hip Room (in.) 51.50 58.60
Rear Hip Room (in.) 53.90 57.90
Payload & Towing
Passenger Volume (cu. ft.) 124.00 135.20
Cargo Volume (cu. ft.) 45.20 20.80
Standard Towing (lb.) 7000 6500
Max Towing (lb.) 7000 6500
Standard Payload (lb.) 1411 1470
Max Payload (lb.) 1411 1470
Standard GVWR (lb.) 6834 6860
Max GVWR (lb.) 6834 6860
Cargo Area Dimensions
Length (in.) No data 46.30
Width at Wheelwell (in.) No data 42.60
Width at Wall (in.) No data 58.10
Depth (in.) No data 42.70
Steering, Suspension & Brakes
Turning Diameter (ft.) 43.50 39.70
Steering Type Recirc R&P
Front Suspension Live Ind
Rear Suspension Live Live
Tires 265/60R18 275/65R17
Anti-Theft & Locks
Child Safety Door Locks N/A Std.
Locking Pickup Truck Tailgate N/A N/A
Power Door Locks Std. Std.
Vehicle Anti-Theft Std. Std.
Braking & Traction
4 Wheel Drive/All Wheel Drive Std. Std.
ABS Brakes (2 or 4 Wheel) Std. Std.
Automatic Load-Leveling N/A N/A
Electronic Brake Assistance Std. Std.
Limited Slip Differential or Axle N/A N/A
Locking Differential Std. Std.
Traction Control Std. Std.
Vehicle Stability Control System Std. Std.
Entertainment, Communication & Navigatio n
Radio Std. Std.
Cassette Player N/A Std.
CD Player Std. Std.
CD Changer Std. Std.
DVD Player N/A Opt.
Hands Free or Voice Activated Telephone Opt. N/A
Navigational Aid Std. N/A
Second Row Sound Controls/Accessories N/A Std.
Subwoofer Std. Std.
Telematic Systems Std. N/A
Exterior Lighting
Automatic Headlights Std. Std.
Daytime Running Lights Std. Std.
Fog Lights Std. Std.
High Intensity Discharge Headlights N/A N/A
Pickup Truck Cargo Box Light N/A N/A
Exterior
Bodyside/Cab Step or Running Board Std. Opt.
Front Air Dam N/A Std.
Rear Spoiler N/A N/A
Skid Plate or Underbody Protection Std. Std.
Splash or Mud Guards N/A Std.
Wind Deflector or Buffer for Convertibles N/A N/A
Power Sliding Side Van Door N/A N/A
Power Trunk Lid N/A N/A
Heating, Ventilation & Air Conditioning
Air Conditioning Std. Std.
Separate Driver/Front Passenger Climate Controls Std. N/A
Interior
Cruise Control Std. Std.
Tachometer Std. Std.
Tilt Steering Std. Std.
Tilt Steering Column Std. Std.
Heated Steering Wheel N/A N/A
Leather Steering Wheel Std. Std.
Steering Wheel Mounted Controls Std. Std.
Telescopic Steering Column Std. Std.
Adjustable Foot Pedals N/A N/A
Genuine Wood Trim Std. Opt.
Tire Inflation/Pressure Monitor N/A N/A
Trip Computer Std. N/A
Remote Controls & Remote Releases
Keyless Entry (Remote Lock/Unlock) Std. Std.
Remote Ignition N/A N/A
Safety
Driver Airbag Std. Std.
Front Side Airbag N/A Opt.
Front Side Airbag with Head Protection N/A N/A
Passenger Airbag Std. Std.
Side Head Curtain Airbags N/A Opt.
Second Row Side Airbag N/A N/A
Second Row Side Airbag with Head Protection N/A N/A
Power Windows Std. Std.
Electronic Parking Aid Std. N/A
First Aid Kit Std. N/A
Trunk Anti-Trap Device N/A N/A
Seats
Driver Multi-Adjustable Power Seat Std. Std.
Front Cooled Seats N/A N/A
Front Heated Seat Std. Std.
Front Power Lumbar Support Std. Std.
Front Power Memory Seat Std. N/A
Front Split Bench Seat N/A N/A
Leather Seat Std. Std.
Passenger Multi-Adjustable Power Seat Std. Std.
Second Row Folding Seat Std. Std.
Second Row Heated Seat Std. N/A
Second Row Multi-Adjustable Power Seat N/A N/A
Second Row Removable Seat N/A N/A
Third Row Removable Seat N/A Std.

Storage
Cargo Area Cover Std. N/A
Cargo Area Tiedowns Std. Std.
Cargo Net Std. Opt.
Load Bearing Exterior Rack N/A N/A
Pickup Truck Bed Liner N/A N/A
Roof
Power Sunroof/Moonroof Opt. Std.
Removable/Convertible Top N/A N/A
Manual Sunroof/Moonroof Opt. Std.
Towing
Tow Hitch Receiver Opt. Opt.
Towing Prep. Package N/A N/A
Wheels & Tires
Alloy Wheels Std. Std.
Chrome Wheels N/A N/A
Full Size Spare Tire Std. Std.
Self Sealing/Run Flat Tires N/A N/A
Steel Wheels N/A N/A
Windows, Mirrors & Wipers
Power Windows Std. Std.
Exterior Auto. Day/Night or Electrochromic Mirror N/A N/A
Glass Rear Window on Convertible N/A N/A
Heated Exterior Mirror Std. Std.
Interior Auto. Day/Night or Electrochromic Mirror Std. Std.
Power Adjustable Exterior Mirror Std. Std.
Privacy Glass or Deep Tinted Glass Std. Std.
Interval Wipers Std. Std.
Rain Sensing Wipers Std. N/A
Rear Window Defogger Std. Std.
Rear Wiper Std. Std.
Sliding Rear Pickup Truck Window N/A N/A

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