Build Up "The Cucumber"

Coolerman · Sep 24, 2008

Looking good so far. You a FORD man by any chance?

joeyg1973 · Sep 24, 2008

Coolerman said:
Looking good so far. You a FORD man by any chance?

You mean a Fix Or Repair Daily... no I am pretty much engineering neutral... if you look at the parts list of what I am doing... I pick whatever is best for the situation and and make it work like that was what it was meant to do originally. I wanted it to be blue and that was the best blue color in the POR-15 engine enamel.

Actually that is not entirely true... I am a huge Pontiac fan. Love the old Chiefs.

joeyg1973 · Sep 24, 2008

more pictures comming tonight or tomorrow morning. Pics of parts before por-15 prepped, post por-15, and then with a coating of plasticote.

joeyg1973 · Sep 24, 2008

meh scratch the pictures. I am tired and will paint tomorrow.

joeyg1973 · Sep 29, 2008

So I did go and paint some parts recently... but the humidity was at 100% so it came out looking like s***. I thought that using a dehumidifier would help... it didn't. I have to do a bunch more sanding on at least one part and then repaint the topcoat. 2 other parts need minor sanding and repainting of the top coat. I need to strip the timing cover and apply lab metal to it because even the POR-15 silver which is supposed to fill pits, just wouldn't cut it. I am letting the paint stripper soak in overnight on it which will get the POR-15 off and it is start over with all that prep and crap... ugh. anyway that is the status update.

nuclearlemon · Sep 29, 2008

watrob said:
I did'nt know you could take photos of dreams

1. You buy a Fj
2. You join MUD
3. You upload photo's
4. You tell us what your plans are, resto etc
5. Your wife gets all upset
6. You complain about how much this all costs
7. You upload more photo's
8. You ask for help & guidence
9. you complete the project
10. You marvel at what a great job you have done

It seems your gone straight to number 10

you missed a step...where's the one about going bankrupt

malcb · Nov 3, 2008

Good to see your making some progress Joey. I have similar lists and plans, don't dare put anything up because I know my progress will be slow, as you say it's a hobby and other things have to come first.

Anyway, I did get some time on a lathe and turned up an adapter for a poly V belt, my supercharger is an M112 so 8 V's and something like 35mm wide.

I have retained the original V drive as well and that means I can't have a radiator up front but moving the rad to the rear is part of the plan anyway, as is an electric pump. I decided that I wanted to keep the supercharger belt off the alternator for the moment, if I run an alternator on the serpentine I might add a second alternator. When I get time I will take a few photos and post them up.

joeyg1973 · Nov 3, 2008

malcb said:
Good to see your making some progress Joey. I have similar lists and plans, don't dare put anything up because I know my progress will be slow, as you say it's a hobby and other things have to come first.

Well I have lots of free time now as I got let go from my job on Friday. I love working in IT.

Seriously thinking of going back to work as a longshoreman... pay is half what I make now, but at least I know that I won't be switching work places every 0-2 years and will be treated better than a school janitor.

malcb said:
Anyway, I did get some time on a lathe and turned up an adapter for a poly V belt, my supercharger is an M112 so 8 V's and something like 35mm wide.

No clue what you are talking about when you mention the "poly V belt", "8 V's" and 35mm wide. Do you mean you made a 8 ribbed crank pulley for the 2f? :bounce:

malcb said:
I have retained the original V drive as well and that means I can't have a radiator up front but moving the rad to the rear is part of the plan anyway, as is an electric pump. I decided that I wanted to keep the supercharger belt off the alternator for the moment, if I run an alternator on the serpentine I might add a second alternator. When I get time I will take a few photos and post them up.

I would run them all off the same serpentine belt... Don't bother with 2 alternators, a cs144 GM has 140 amps, if you need more than that, spend about 50 bucks more and get one that is 250+. I don't know what you intend to run that would suck down more than 140 amps other than on startup or extreme load.

joeyg1973 · Nov 3, 2008

Some pics of "The Cucumber". Luckily for me when they put whatever this bed liner is on the whole truck, they never prepped it correctly because I am able get it off without too much hassle.

joeyg1973 · Nov 3, 2008

last pic for now

malcb · Nov 4, 2008

Hmm, might be getting some "spare" time myself, things are going quite quiet in a lot of the industries we work with. By the way ever one, the Olympics in 2012 will be sort of different to China, bit more like Rome in 200BC.

joeyg1973 said:
No clue what you are talking about when you mention the "poly V belt", "8 V's" and 35mm wide. Do you mean you made a 8 ribbed crank pulley for the 2f?

Thats what I did. I have an idea the M90 only runs 6 ribs. Nice thing is you can run a 6 rib belt on an 8 rib pulley which would help with finding an alternator, otherwise I need to use the Jaguar XKR alternator to match the supercharger, don't think my planned boost level is going to need an 8 rib.

joeyg1973 said:
I would run them all off the same serpentine belt... Don't bother with 2 alternators, a cs144 GM has 140 amps, if you need more than that, spend about 50 bucks more and get one that is 250+. I don't know what you intend to run that would suck down more than 140 amps other than on startup or extreme load.

I might well run them all on the same belt eventually, although the loading with a supercharger can be quite high and getting the alingment right is harder with the whole lot.

joeyg1973 · Nov 4, 2008

I want pictures and measurements ASAP!

joeyg1973 · Nov 7, 2008

I did a bunch of measurements on the crank pulley, crank flange, harmonic balancer, and the water pump so that I could possibly get someone to make me a serpentine pulley for the thing made. Anyway I have these specs in Excel and OO format which I cannot attach here so I am just cutting and pasting for now. I am not sure if my terms are right, but that is how I would describe each of them measurments. If someone has a place that they want to put these documents PM me. I am also putting in a bunch of pictures too.

So if anybody out there wants to use these specs to make something new and interesting feel free. This also gives you a good idea of what the crank pulley looks like broken down into it's 3 basic components.

Harmonic Balancer

Front

ID 52mm
OD 195mm

Back

ID 120mm

Rivet/Bolt Holes x 6

Distance of Centers 80mm
Diameter of Holes 8.5mm

Puller Holes x 2

Distance of Centers 88mm
Diameter of Holes 12mm

Alignment Pin x 1

Diameter of hole 8mm

Crank Flange

Center

Length Total 57mm
Length of larger ID 20mm
Length of smaller ID 37mm
Large ID 36mm
Small ID 31mm

Front Center

OD 52mm
Length of OD 2.30mm

Back Center

1st OD 52mm
2nd OD 48mm
3rd OD 45mm
Length of 1st OD 1.95mm
Length of 2nd OD 16.95mm
Length of 3rd OD 30mm

Middle Center

OD 117.40 mm
Length of OD 5.80mm

Rivet/Bolt Holes x 6

Distance of Centers 80mm
Diameter of Holes 8.5mm

Puller Holes x 2

Distance of Centers 88mm
Thread TBD

Alignment Pin x 1

Diameter of hole 8mm

Crank Pulley

ID 52mm
OD 155mm
Offset 3.65mm
Width 45mm
Center of width 22.5mm
Centerline (Center of width – Offset) 18.85

Rivet/Bolt Holes x 6

Distance of Centers 80mm
Diameter of Holes 8.5mm

Puller Holes x 2

Distance of Centers 88mm
Diameter of Holes 12mm

Alignment Pin x 1

Diameter of hole 8mm

Water Pump Pulley

ID 42.10mm
OD 123mm
Offset 6.65mm
Width 45mm
Center of width 22.5mm
Centerline (Center of width – Offset) 15.85mm

Bolt Holes x 4

Distance of Centers 62mm
Diameter of Holes 9mm