80 series Crawler

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Broski

I love Wheelin my 80
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I've been doing a lot of reading on this forum, and have heard a lot of talk about what a great wheeler a stock '80 series is. I've also heard mention that an '80 series sled is "no crawler". So my question is, how does a built '80 stack up to a similarly built Forerunner or Tacoma?
 
I'm just guessing, but the allmost 2,000 pound difference is probly a big deal & 6" to 8" in width is a big deal also.
 
I'm just guessing, but the allmost 2,000 pound difference is probly a big deal & 6" to 8" in width is a big deal also.

Not sure about an 80 being 6-8" wider?
Tacoma-212-226″ L x 74-75″ W x 71″ H
1994 80-188″ L x 76″ W x 73″ H
 
OK the wight thing make sense
 
I didn’t look at Taco but 1st & 2nd Gen 4Runner are... well here's wiki...

FJ80 is 72"
Fzj80 is 76" curb wt is 4,760 lb
4Runner is 65.5" curb wt is 2,760 lb
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That makes sense...I was thinking FZJ80 vs modern Taco/Runner.
 
Ok, yep.. I wouldn't dare wheel a new vehicle...
I was thinking older stuff.
 
Well, if you want to compair IFS vs. Solid axle etc. But there is threads on this allready. Then v8 vs. strait 6 etc... it's endless...
 
15 year old 80 compared to a similarly built new taco or runner? Well that depends because there isn't a newer taco or runner out there that you can put an 800 dollar lift kit with 35s and go wheel. So compare to any "similarly" old or new taco or runner then the 80 is hands down better and one helluva crawler.

Kinda like comparing steaks from sizzler and mortons, you can kinda make sizzler steak taste better but it's bit more work and in the end it might not be a steak anymore. Hey wait that's like a new jeep.....which is more like Denny's steak. By the time I build the jeep the way I like the only thing left that's jeep would be the body.
 
A solid axle Taco vs. an 80 as a trailer queen crawler? I'd take the Taco every time.
 
15 year old 80 compared to a similarly built new taco or runner? Well that depends because there isn't a newer taco or runner out there that you can put an 800 dollar lift kit with 35s and go wheel. So compare to any "similarly" old or new taco or runner then the 80 is hands down better and one helluva crawler.

Kinda like comparing steaks from sizzler and mortons, you can kinda make sizzler steak taste better but it's bit more work and in the end it might not be a steak anymore. Hey wait that's like a new jeep.....which is more like Denny's steak. By the time I build the jeep the way I like the only thing left that's jeep would be the body.

This made me hungry.
 
I have had both a stock 96 fzj and a stock 98 tacoma. I wheeled both of them a fair amount stock and the tacoma did not even compare to the cruiser especially on the rocks. The added weight of the cruiser gives you a lot of extra traction. And like it was mentioned before the cruiser only needs a simple 2 inch lift to basically run 35s.
 
A solid axle Taco vs. an 80 as a trailer queen crawler? I'd take the Taco every time.


Properly built sas taco? Hell yeah. But the question is "similarly" built. You can take a 1990 taco, put an 800 dollar lift on it and then 35s.......oh wait you can't because it can't even go up a driveway with 35s.
 
I've got an armored 80 on 37's (all I have is RCV shafts, 4.88 gears, and t case gears, with factory locked axles). In order to run this setup you don't need to do a solid axle swap, upgrade steering, etc. To run a similar setup on a newer taco or 4runner you are looking at a lot of work.

I try and wheel my rig pretty hard (I was in Johnson Valley today and I intend to run Clawhammer and sledgehammer in a few weeks). In my opinion the 80 will make it through most trails, although it may not be pretty. Yes it's heavy, but what really holds it back is a lack of gearing options. Compared to a 4 door wrangler it's wheelbase isn't much different nor is its width. It's wide, but it fits through everything narrow I've seen.

Now, if you are into serious rock crawling, the kind where there is no trail just a stack of boulders, go with something that gives you super low gearing or build a buggy. If thats not your shtick, the fat lady (80 series) will work just fine. Stick a winch on the front and if it gets really bad use it. To me, nothing beats the room, build quality, or all purpose nature of the 80. If you want a 100% crawler and that's all you want to do, the 80 is probably not for you unless you bob it, swap the drive train, and put it on a diet. The problem with the 80 is no matter what you do short of a drive train swap you can't get around the low range gear problem that is needed to make a real rock crawler.

Bottom line, figure out the trails you want to run, how many people/cargo do you want to carry, and how much modification are you willing to make then work backwards to the ideal vehicle. You can run 35s on a stock 80 with a 2.5 inch lift and nothing else. What other truck let's you do that reliably and for dirt cheap?
 
my single cab, bobbed and SAS tacoma could probably crawl over my 80 if that tells you anything. for all out builds go with the taco. the reason i am building an 80 is i am no longer single but with a family of 4 that is still growing. hard to stick us all in a single cab taco.
 
my single cab, bobbed and SAS tacoma could probably crawl over my 80 if that tells you anything. for all out builds go with the taco. the reason i am building an 80 is i am no longer single but with a family of 4 that is still growing. hard to stick us all in a single cab taco.
Yeah, I'm here with an 80 because of family, kids etc. My 1st coice would be a stretched 40 or 1st gen runner, but for now the 80 serves a great purpose & hands down is the best out of the box trail ready rig ever in my opinion. Just put on a small lift & tires & your trail ready.
 
you can buy a 3x locked 80 cheaper than you can sas a tacoma..... and thats how I ended up here :D

but your question of "similarly built" seems to have been missed; instead comparing the abilities of each to be built into a crawler.

If you were to compare a SAS taco/4runner on 35's with bumper slider winch skid to an 80 on 35's with bumpers sliders winch skid then Several points are still spot on and each build will have its merits. However the nod may go to the smaller platform if you were to wish to take the build to the more extreme/hardcore side. Either way youll have great reliability

taco Pros:
weight and size allows easier time at some obstacles and a few MPGs
better aftermarket support for accessories... includes gearing options as well

taco cons:
lighter duty vehicle; components may suffer more from extended or heavy use over time
Cost to build to equal specs.... this can be debated im sure since more vendors do bring acc prices down some but that axle is $$$$


80 Pros
Cost of build to get to current status.. including vehicle price
rugged overbuilt nature of every component lends to longer servicability and durability
classic good looks :D

80 cons
will have harder time traveling down the hardcore path
availability of aftermarket products is smaller for smaller pool

Besides you can always make an 80 Shorter and Lighter !!!

Drexx's Ultimate80
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Christo's Short Bus
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I do have some experience with this question. Those 2 truggy Tacos behind the 80 will destroy any 80 I've ever seen. The Cherokee on the left would blow your mind as well.
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I do have some experience with this question. Those 2 truggy Tacos behind the 80 will destroy any 80 I've ever seen. The Cherokee on the left would blow your mind as well.
But do you have experience answering the question asked? Sure a buggy/truggy will out crawl most.

So "how does a built '80 stack up to a similarly built Forerunner or Tacoma?"
 
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