2L-T engine

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OK to answer the questions.

Don't think it has anything to do with driving style - mine used to get a real mix of driving - between 30 and 40 around town and country roads, up to 85 on the motorway (when it was clear but not on our infamous M25 London ring road where the average speed is dead stop). Driving in the UK is generally faster than the US or Canada but not as fast as Germany or France (they're all mad in France - only kidding).

Some people are running additional gauges as the water temp gauge on eth 2LT/2LTE engine has the sensor too high up the engine - as soon as it loses a little water then you get no reading. A few people put additional sensors lower down on the bottom of the Rad. A few people have also removed the sensor wire from the additional electric fan so it runs all the time when the ignition is on.

When the Head goes, you generally get no warning, it overheats because the head has gone and pumped all the coolant out of the system. Heads tend to go between the Exhaust valves and the pre combustion chambers and also between the inlet and exhaust valves - mine had 6 cracks, between all the valves and between the exhaust and pre combustion chamber on 1 and 4.

The EGRs on the 2LT / 2LTE are vacuum operated and they often stick open allowing the Exhaust gas to recirculate all the time rather than just under heavy acceleration, it has been said that this can cause uneven head temperatures promoting the cracking. A common mod over here is to remove the EGR from circuit either blocking the port on the exhaust manifold or just plugging the activation pipe. This also extends the life of the oil as there are less carbon deposits comming back into the engine as well.

Another thing that seems to help is by putting a large front pipe on the Turbo (Dump pipe) - moving up to a 3 inch one. This not only allows the Turbo to spin up quicker which improves the power of the engine, but also allows the turbo to get rid of the exhaust gasses and therfore some of the heat quicker.

So far I have changed 7 cylinder heads on Surfs (in my spare time with a friend) for various people and also for my own. Average time to do it is 12 to 14 hours so it's not a job you want to take on lightly although it is not that difficult.

Also in terms of temperature, mine let go in the Summer but lots let go in the winter so it doesn't seem to have anything to do with the air temperature.#

To be honest the cooling systems on the Surfs/Hiluxes seems to be borderline and needs to be running 100% to not give any problems. Mine was fine after the head was replaced however I sold it on after 2 years and the guy who bought it from me had the Water pump let go on him and cracked the head as he didn't pull over quick enough - wish I'd changed the water pump now as it's real cheap to replace and easy while the head is off, however there was nothing wrong with it at the time.

I think that when it is 100% sorted the 2LT /2LTE is a great engine - almost as many made as the Small Block Chevy, however I wouldn't say that economy is good, my Cruiser with the 1HDT is much more economical even though it is more powerfull and the Cruiser is a lot heavier. However when well looked after and with a new head, the 2LT will last as long as a 1HD-T engine (over 300K miles) without major problems. It's also pretty easy to work on - the 1KZTE is easier though apart from the Turbo being tucked well out of the way.

If anyone wants to have a look at the other forum, log on to http://www.hiluxsurf.co.uk and you can browse through the pretty active forum and find out lots about the 2L engines and derivatives as well as the 1KZT engines in the newer Surfs.
 
so the blocking of the egr systems is simular mod that is done on the Delica 2.5 TD.
has anyone ran a pyro to moniter the egts on their engines?

i pulled my first 2LT apart about a month ago, the engien had 166,000 on it and there were NO cracks in the head or in the prechambers.

as for fuel economy, my test run through the mountains was completely different results from yours. the 2LT averaged 35 mpg at 90 k/h where as the HDT got 27.79 mpg at the same speed. the 2LT returned 27 mpg at 120 where as the HDT returned 23 mpg.

how many of the 2LT equiped LJ71 have you pulled the heads on? i have heard the surf has poor cooling and too tight an engine compartment, could this be part of the problem, trapped heat?

i ran 2 1/2 exhaust on my bush LJ71 and right away the egts dropped across the board. on that one i had peaks of 20 lbs of boost and the fuel was cranked right up. that engine was pushed hard with no ill side effects. i agree the larger exhaust seems to help.

thanks again for the added info.
cheers
 
crushers said:
so the blocking of the egr systems is simular mod that is done on the Delica 2.5 TD.
has anyone ran a pyro to moniter the egts on their engines?

i pulled my first 2LT apart about a month ago, the engien had 166,000 on it and there were NO cracks in the head or in the prechambers.

as for fuel economy, my test run through the mountains was completely different results from yours. the 2LT averaged 35 mpg at 90 k/h where as the HDT got 27.79 mpg at the same speed. the 2LT returned 27 mpg at 120 where as the HDT returned 23 mpg.

how many of the 2LT equiped LJ71 have you pulled the heads on? i have heard the surf has poor cooling and too tight an engine compartment, could this be part of the problem, trapped heat?

i ran 2 1/2 exhaust on my bush LJ71 and right away the egts dropped across the board. on that one i had peaks of 20 lbs of boost and the fuel was cranked right up. that engine was pushed hard with no ill side effects. i agree the larger exhaust seems to help.

thanks again for the added info.
cheers

My Surf was lucky to get 22mpg Imperial on a run and around 17mpg imperial around town, I get 27 to 28 on the Cruiser with 1HD-T.

You could be right about the engine bay on the Surf, the 2LT is a lot tighter fit than the 1KZT. To be honest don't seem to hear the same problems on the LJ71s as on the Surf and also no real problems in the pickups so it might be just a Surf problem - or rather an engine problem highlighted by the Surf.

I agree the 2LT engine is otherwise a very strong engine, the bottom end is pretty well indestructable. So far I have pulled 7 cylinder heads - I don't do it for a living, just for myself and helping out a mate.

Some people have putt Subaru Imprezza bonnet scoops facing rearwards to help remove some of the engine bay heat, however I got to say that when my head was replaced there was no problems.

Haven't done any pyro testing however on the emissions test for the MOT, with the EGR on it was borderline on Carbon emissions, and less than 1/3 of maximum with the EGR disconnected. The EGR only helps with NoX emissions anyway and these are not tested in the UK. It actually harms CO2 and heavy particle emissions running an EGR. I can only assume the reduction of Exhaust Gas temp with removal of the EGR and also with an increase on dump pipe size.

It seems in the Surf the 2LT is also somewhat straining to pull along the extra weight, not sure on the weight diff between the Surf and the LJ, would assume it is similar. The Pickup is considerably lighter though which probably expains the lack of problems on that one.

By all accounts though there really was a batch of badly designed heads around late 1993 to mid 1992 which were redesigned. Later ones are measurably thicker - we have an engine rebuilder on the forum who has done the measurements so there must have been an identified problem. Also there was a Japanese recall for head gaskets on the 2LTE which proved to cause a problem corroding the heads.

Interesting though that in Africa they prefer the 2LT to the 1KZT as the 1KZT seems to be even more borderline on the cooling side than the Surf/4Runner with the 2LT. 1KZT's seem to need fitment of much larger radiators (5 core is the choice) to make the cooling system work properly.
 
this agrees with the research i did, the surf has a lot of problems with the 2LT where as the LJ71 doesn't seem to have near the problems. this is one of the main reasons i have not bothered to bring in the diesel surf.

i have noticed that the EGTS can rise very rapidly when accelerating hard in the LJ71 but hte problem was greatly reduced with the change to a larger exhaust.

the LJ71 weighs in at 1680 kg, how does that compare with the Surf?

cheers
 
interesting stuff. It sure is tempting to bring in a surf as a DD given how cheap they are, but this is food for thought. I would take the LJ71 data with a grain of salt because there are so few around in comparison to the Surf. The recent experience of a boared member here with an LJ78 suggests the problem is real. I will budget for a new head if I get one.

Does blocking the EGR not adversely affect the air/fuel mixture? I would have thought it was cause the engine to run rich initially whenever the EGR is supposed to cut in, at least until the 02 sensors could catch up and correct.
 
yup what I know about diesels is absolutely nothing, but I assume something provides feedback on the air/fuel mixture?? I will use only generic terms from now on :D
 
Andy!

The french mad? Nah! :D I've goten a new nickname, wheeling with some nes acointance, 60kph was too much for them on mountain dirt raods, 2 WD and sliding in bends and plowing theses, they nicknamed me the plower! Mad the french? I'm one so i wouldn't be able to tell!

Bye.

Max.
 
I once did 250km in just about 100 min in the UK, believe me traffic isn't slow when there's a frenchman behind the wheel. :flipoff2: I think I got "photographed" about 3 times that night :rolleyes:
 
Satamax said:
Andy!

The french mad? Nah! :D I've goten a new nickname, wheeling with some nes acointance, 60kph was too much for them on mountain dirt raods, 2 WD and sliding in bends and plowing theses, they nicknamed me the plower! Mad the french? I'm one so i wouldn't be able to tell!

Bye.

Max.

I've driven round the Peripherique in a Mercedes A Class - yes you are all mad, but in a nice way. Never had so much fun or been so scared in my life. :D :D
 
semlin said:
interesting stuff. It sure is tempting to bring in a surf as a DD given how cheap they are, but this is food for thought. I would take the LJ71 data with a grain of salt because there are so few around in comparison to the Surf. The recent experience of a boared member here with an LJ78 suggests the problem is real. I will budget for a new head if I get one.

Does blocking the EGR not adversely affect the air/fuel mixture? I would have thought it was cause the engine to run rich initially whenever the EGR is supposed to cut in, at least until the 02 sensors could catch up and correct.

No it doesn't affect the mixture, as the amount of exhaust gas reintroduced is fairly minimal, however enough to make the engine run bad if it injects it a low revs. Main reason for the EGR is to lower the burn temp below 600 degrees which is when the NoX is formed. Problem is it reduces the efficiency of the engine considerably and because of inadequate swirl in the 2LT head, the burn temp is not consistent across the whole of the cylinder causing uneven head temps (or so I am informed).

The fuel/air mixture is mecahnically adjusted in the 2LT on the pump and automatically adjusted by the ECU on the 2LTE along with pump timing, the ECU will also learn the characteristics of the motor over time due to feedback from various sensors, one trick when having made significant changes to the engine is to disconnect the battery for more than 15 minutes which will reset the ECU to default settings.

As a vehicle the Surf is a great motor, has all the good things of a normal 4runner but with a diesel engine. Not as good as an LC unless you get an early 1st generation one with Solid axles as the later 1st gen and all 2nd and 3rd gens come with IFS which limits what you can do without a rear locker. However I have driven off road in one and seen some beat what should be considerably more able machines.
 
harveya said:
I've driven round the Peripherique in a Mercedes A Class - yes you are all mad, but in a nice way. Never had so much fun or been so scared in my life. :D :D

You should have tried the "place de l'etoile" roundabout, now this is :eek:
 
harveya said:
It seems in the Surf the 2LT is also somewhat straining to pull along the extra weight, not sure on the weight diff between the Surf and the LJ, would assume it is similar. The Pickup is considerably lighter though which probably expains the lack of problems on that one.

Interesting though that in Africa they prefer the 2LT to the 1KZT as the 1KZT seems to be even more borderline on the cooling side than the Surf/4Runner with the 2LT. 1KZT's seem to need fitment of much larger radiators (5 core is the choice) to make the cooling system work properly.

Andy, how does this corrolate over to this fellows information? Looking for data and details, thanks. I have always been intersted in the 4door Hilux...

http://bb.bc4x4.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=79694&pagenumber=2 Last post 2nd page and 2nd post 3rd page.

Thanks

gb
 
actually, the LJ71 does have a smaller engine bay than a normal BJ / HZJ7* series, the nose is pushed back about 4" and the hood is about 3" smaller but still has more engine bay room than the Hilux or the 4Runner...
cheers
 
Greg_B said:
Andy, how does this corrolate over to this fellows information? Looking for data and details, thanks. I have always been intersted in the 4door Hilux...

http://bb.bc4x4.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=79694&pagenumber=2 Last post 2nd page and 2nd post 3rd page.

Thanks

gb

Yep, so the Surf 2nd Gen (or 4Runner 2nd Gen) and Mk3 pickup have pretty much the same engine bay, and I agree the double cab will be about the same weight but the single cab will be lighter - less seats and bodywork.

Surf has Semi Floater rear axle 7.5 inch I seem to recall, Independant front whereas the pickup has solid axles front and rear until about '98 and ran on leaf springs wheras the Surf / 4 runner has coils on the rear.
 
Tapage said:
humm you said, that I can put 1HD-T engine in a LJ-71 .. ? :cheers:

With not so carefull use of the following tools.

Big Hammer,
Angle Grinder
Another BFH
A Large Saw.
Another BFH.

Could lose the dashboard I guess.

It would fit in the Heavy Duty but then they already got a 1HZ anyway.
 
actually, if you use the front clip from a BJ/HZJ7* series and modify the very front frame mounts you would have the room needed with out wrecking the body.
the basic tub is identical.
and beef up the front suspension with a set of coils from a 79 series from Ens, weld in the factory brackets from a HZJ7* for the engine and swap in the R151 that is used for the same engine and then you can use the rad from a HZJ7*, driveshafts from the same... hell, it would be pretty much a bolt in.
170 hp, 4.90 diffed, coil sprung LJ71...
sounds pretty easy to me...
(it always does when looking at a picture inyour head)
cheers
 
all this things to have 4.88 and coil spings .. not for me. More easy, buy a 4.88 Presision gear Set, and the new HZJ-71 have coils suspension in front .. maybe make a rear coil suspension, 4 link and usea 80 series coils ..

More easy for me .. :D
 

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