John Deere HIR NOT HID

[landtoy80]

I had to remove the HIR's from the 80 and put them in the wifey Camry many years ago. One of them went out.
Is John Deere still the best place to get them?
Do I need to replace both? That is, do they get weaker over time or will the other one so die?
I still need to get a set for the 80 so I guess I need 4 of them. I need to know if there is a cheaper place than Deere to get them.
Can they be had at parts stores?

 

[Stone]

HID or HIR? If it's HIR you're talking about, I bought a set off of Candlepower.com. Reasonable prices, in stock, and really good shipping rate compared to the others.

 

[firetruck41]

If you can even get them at John Deere, they are no longer cheap. There are several recent threads about the Toshiba HIR and a new version Phillips HIR, you can probably find those threads with a search.

 

[Stone]

Candlepower has all the versions of the HIR bulbs in stock, including the new Phillips version, and for better prices than what I could get locally up here in a Canadian John Deere. Just under $23 USD/ea for the HIR2 at Candlepower, and $39 CAD/ea at the local John Deere, and they would have to order it in.

 

[Hovenator]

How much of an improvement are these over stock? Do you know the part number off hand for the low beams?

Thx, Paul

 

[Stone]

How much of an improvement are these over stock? Do you know the part number off hand for the low beams?

Thx, Paul

Low Beams (HIR2):
Toshiba 9012 (HIR2)

High Beams:
Toshiba 9011 (HIR1)

New Generation Phillips HIR2:
<font color="red">NEW Philips 3rd Generation 9012 (HIR2)</font>

According to the website and from a couple of people who have used it, almost doubles the light output from factory without any modifications, glare and increase in wattage.

 

[super90]

Far better than stock ! I have the 9012's. Should have done it years ago. I paid more like $35 or $40 ea. Still, very happy with the result.

EDIT: Mine came from Fine Motoring too. Good service.

 

[landtoy80]

Yes I mean HIR.

This would explain why I did not fine much when I searched.

 

[aclos3]

They are SO much better than stock you will be stunned. There are plenty of threads on the topic, you can read until your heart's content. I recently bought my HIRs from finemotoring.com (HIR Headlights 9011 9012 bulbs). They are a bit pricey now since they're becoming more scarce, but I consider the significant lighting upgrade to be worth it.

Has anyone actually tried the new bulbs from Phillips? I had heard that they aren't a true HIR, but still a very good bulb. It would be interesting to compare Toshiba HIR to Phillips "HIR," to stock.

 

[Bergy1]

John Deere parts number

I purchased the John Deere lights a couple weeks ago. $28 or $29 a piece. Part number is AH211917. Our shop had them in stock.

I noticed a significant improvement in light output

 

[Pathfinder]

I purchased the John Deere lights a couple weeks ago. $28 or $29 a piece. Part number is AH211917. Our shop had them in stock.

I noticed a significant improvement in light output

I thought they did not sell these any more. Yet I was able to pull them up online at JDparts however they don't have any stock. I think you got lucky! Good find.



Part Details

Part Number:

AH211917 Part Price: 31.35 USD On Hand:

0 Description: BULB, HIR 2

 

[Tapage]

I was reading this interesting topic along with others .. but there is no replacement ( or I never found it ) for H4 that have Hi and Low in the same bulb .. ?

Thought there is an " adapter " to a traditional H4 socket ?

 

[rhyary]

After 3 years and 50K miles my passenger lower beam HIR went out.
Upon giggling (technical term?) the wire it came back to life. But I am going to replace both sides and keep existing ones as spares.

I went with the Phillips HIR2 from the above link. I wonder if there will be a difference between that and the HIR I have now.

I have the Slee harness so power is not a problem.

 

[96r50]

According to the website and from a couple of people who have used it, almost doubles the light output from factory without any modifications, glare and increase in wattage.

I'm not knocking the HIRs (I have them in both high and low beams) but there definitely is an increase in glare from the low beams (I notice it a lot on street signs and other reflective surfaces).

From what I have read this is due to the bulb shield design in the low beam sockets. Technically we should not be using the HIR bulbs in the low beam socket due to the construction of the socket and the type of bulb shield Toyota put in the low beam housings. If you use a mirror to peek into the low beam socket while the bulb is out you will see that the light output of the low beam bulb is controlled/directed by a ring-type bulb shield, and that there is nothing obstructing light from going straight out the front of the headlight.

A regular 9006 bulb has a a blacked out end (blacktop), so the light is properly controlled and directed by the reflector. But when you put the 9012 HIR bulbs in, there is no blacktop and a lot of light escapes out the front of the ring-type shield, causing the glare. This is probably also one of the reasons the HIR 9012 bulbs are such a drastic increase when you look at them in the truck, since the light can travel directly out of the lens, instead of being directed by the reflector.

With all that said, the only trouble I have ever had is the increase in glare from street signs and such. I have never been flashed when my low beams were on either. I will continue to use my HIRs, but I figured I would share this info anyway.

 

[rhyary]

Adam,
I know what you mean, but it is not that bad.
However you are bringing a good point about light in general.
Typical discussion center about light output and light patterns, excluding from the discussion is how human eye work.
Basically the more light, the smaller the pupil.
So sometimes adding more light is causing the pupil to go smaller causing you to see less where it is not fully lit by the headlight.
If you drive with low beam, it is always on the cusp of not giving you enough depth to react at something that is coming.

So one can claim that reducing low beam light hence dilating the pupil allows you to see further up a head.
Traveling 65mph with low beam, what you can see is less interesting. It is what's coming beyond the light cut-off that I want to see.

anyway..I will let you know if the new Phillips reflect any different.

 

[Tools R Us]

After 3 years and 50K miles my passenger lower beam HIR went out.
Upon giggling (technical term?) the wire it came back to life. But I am going to replace both sides and keep existing ones as spares.

I went with the Phillips HIR2 from the above link. I wonder if there will be a difference between that and the HIR I have now.

I have the Slee harness so power is not a problem.

Are you sure it is the bulb, sounds like a connection problem? Connectors, relays, etc can degrade with time and aftermarket is sometimes less durable. The test is simple, start the truck, turn on the lights, measure the voltage at the bulb, plug in the stock harness, measure again, best to do it at idle and cruise rpm, compare measurements.

 

[rhyary]

No I am not sure it is the bulb.
However, having a spare low beam sounds tome like a good idea, so after 3 years (and on the LX it is on during the day) I am ready for a new set and will keep the existing HIR as spares. As noted, once I twisted the bulb back and forth it is working now.

If the new bulb gives me trouble, I will trouble shoot the harness.

 

[rhyary]

So last night I received the Phillips 3rd generation HIR2 (9012 low beam) ones, installed them and retired the Toshibas HIR to the spare bin.

First impression is that the Phillips throw a wider pattern of light. I actually can see better the whole road not just what's in front. That always bugged me with the Toshiba HIR. I like it!!

The cut off is the same probably because it is a function of the housing.
The light up front is a bit whiter but not necessarily more light.
I have to test more on the highway, I only drove it around the neighborhood.

First impression is that if you already have the Toshiba HIR, the diff is not significant enough to spend the money but if you need to replace the bulbs or getting HIR for the first time, I would say get the Phillips.

If you have time, wait few days/weeks until I have some more time on the Phillips.

 

[96r50]

First impression is that if you already have the Toshiba HIR, the diff is not significant enough to spend the money but if you need to replace the bulbs or getting HIR for the first time, I would say get the Phillips.

Agreed. I didn't notice much of a difference when I upgraded from one to the other. I am going to swap some regular 9006s back in to aim the headlights properly (I aimed them with the HIRs in before I realized the difference) and pop the Phillips back in after.

 

[Brodie]

I just got a set of these this past weekend using the Hi/Lo package deal from Candlepower Inc. Here: HIR SPECIAL SAVE $22.00 on a Set of Low and High Beams

The 3rd Gen Phillips ones are much brighter than the stock lights. In fact, when I removed the ones the previous owner put in I saw they were pretty new Sylvania bulbs (which I'll save if I have a burnout down the road) and I noticed a difference right away. Mind you it’s not night and day like if I did a full HID projector swap but it’s much much better and really easy to do (even with modifying the tabs to work in the stock housings)