WS ATF

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the viscosity difference is significant ONLY below -30F. The spec is max 10,000 Brookfield at -40 and the Valvoline stuff is slightly more viscous, but WILL work fine.

IF one were to use 'vintage technology' ATF fluid (like the store brand at a no-name quick-stop that sells freid food, etc along with fuel,) that stuff would probably NOT flow at all at -20F

If Valvoline claims it will work, you CAN book it. They would cover repair for a lube quality related (toohigh viscosity failure. This WAS a problem for ATF's some 5-6 years ago when the electronically controlled transmissions were introduced. At very low temperatures, they would not go into gear for maybe a minute. People would put it in gear in extremely low temperatures (-20F)--no go--then put it in Neutral, get out--an THEN the transmission woulg go into gear as had been requested.

The 'fix' by GM was to tighten up the low temperature viscosity requirement a lot. In order to meet the new specs, very high VI base oil was needed. previously only available from true synthetics like PAO's). Now severely hydro-processed petroleum base oils offer nearly identical viscosity and wear protection performance at much less cost, and constitute perhaps 90% of the ATF base oils today. The additive packages are almost all identical -excepting AMSOIL, Royal Purple and a few other very very high performance products.
 
Waking this old thread.:clap:

I'm very interested in hearing about your experiences with flushing the A750F 5spd transmission, that calls for Toyota WS ATF.

How did you do it?
Which ATF fluid did you use?
At what mileage was first and any subsequently flushes (full 12qt)?
What results did you get?

I've been flushing the older A343f 4spd for years with M1 MV ATF and love it. But sadly Mobil 1 MV ATF doesn't list Toyota WS as one that it's compatible with. Be interesting to hear what everyone using and how that has worked out!
 
AFAIK, only ENEOS has WS certified ATF. Not that it is more economical or easily available. Just a data point.
 
Waking this old thread.:clap:

I'm very interested in hearing about your experiences with flushing the A750F 5spd transmission, that calls for Toyota WS ATF.

How did you do it?
Which ATF fluid did you use?
At what mileage was first and any subsequently flushes (full 12qt)?
What results did you get?

I've been flushing the older A343f 4spd for years with M1 MV ATF and love it. But sadly Mobil 1 MV ATF doesn't list Toyota WS as one that it's compatible with. Be interesting to hear what everyone using and how that has worked out!

To preface this, I bought my 2004 LC with 224k on it and full service history. As far as I could tell this vehicle had never had a flush or drain and fill. I'd never do a pressure flush on a vehicle with that many miles on it but I have had good luck doing 'redneck' flushes on my high mile vehicles that have had little to no transmission maintenance.

I disconnected one of the trans cooler lines and ran an extension line into a clear bucket with quart labels on the side. I'd start the truck and let it run for 10-15 seconds or until about 3qt came out. I'd then put that amount of new WS ATF into the trans. Seal it up and do it all over again until I got new fluid cycling out of the drain line I created. I believe I went through 14 quarts before it was brand new looking oil coming out.

After you have new oil pumping out you put the oil cooler line back on. Since the a750F is a sealed unit, you have to jump through some hoops to get it into maintenance mode and warm it up to a certain temperature before checking the fluid level.

After 225k miles the original oil was extremely dirty but did not smell burnt luckily. I only drove my truck for probably 300 miles before doing this but I can honestly say the shifts are quicker, smoothly and the truck just feels better overall. I plan on doing drain and fills every 30k at this point. Probably overkill but it will appease my maintenance OCD tendencies.
 
How about those that have switch to some after market ATF. You guy's getting good results or regrets?
 
I emailed ExxonMobil and got this response regarding Mobil 1 Synthetic ATF for my 1998 and 2006 LC:

"My records show the 1998 calls for Dexron III so you could use the Mobil 1 Synthetic ATF. For the 2006 it calls for a different spec, and the only product we offer that meets it is called Mobil ATF 3324."

Craig
Americas Technical Help Desk
ExxonMobil Products Technology
 
Hello guys,

i have a question. i own a 2003 Land cruiser 1hdfte. It has a transmission dipstick (broken). I drained the pan and about 4.5 litres of transmission fluid came out. I replaced topped it off with WS fluid. I want to know that is using ATF WS okay for my transmission or should i use ATF 4? Are there any known issues? kindly let me know

Thank you. Stay safe.
 
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