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Comeup 12.5 won’t run for more than 3 seconds without locking out. I have a brand new Odyssey ODY-34R-PC1500T

battery with the stock alternator. What should I look at first. I figured my winching would be limited with one battery but I need to improve this system by replacing the correct components. All help appreciated, thanks

 

[enox]

Is it a new or old winch?

It should give you more than 3 seconds if the engine is running or not, especially with a new battery regardless of the brand..

Is the power wire sized correctly? Did you just install it or has it been there and worked normally before?

 

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Everything is brand new. I just installed it. Wire came with the winch.
I did get about 10 sec of run time on the initial pull then 3 to 5 seconds after that.

 

[leonard_nemoy]

Have you double checked your battery connections?

 

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Everything feels tight. No corrosion.

 

[thegadgetguy]

Make sure the mating surfaces of all the connectors are clean - maybe hit them with some sandpaper depending on what they're made out of. I've had some weird situations with joints not conducting, especially on these low voltage high current applications.

If connections are good, I'd get a multimeter on the battery while you're trying the winch and see what the voltage is doing. If the voltage goes back up to ~14.7v or whatever your idle voltage is, after the winch cuts out, I'd say your problem's something in the winch. If it plummets after the ~3 or so seconds that the winch works, it could be battery/charging system related, but it doesn't sound likely from your description of the problem.

 

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Ok I will check the voltage out tomorrow. That gives me a direction to go Thanks for the reply

 

[flintknapper]

Everything feels tight. No corrosion.

Double check all cable connections. Have the battery (even though new) load tested. If all those check out....I would suspect a faulty thermal cut out switch in the winch motor. The battery and winch are well matched.

Can you post which specific model you have? The 'duty cycle' might be fairly low (1 minute on, 14 minutes off), but with a thermal limiter 'temperature' is the real limiting factor, not 'time' run.

 

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I purchased the Comeup Seal Slim 12.5rs
I kept thinking about the thermal limiter during this recovery today but honestly only have a vague understating of how it works (shuts down when hot) I didn’t think it would heat up that quickly in a couple seconds.

 

[flintknapper]

I purchased the Comeup Seal Slim 12.5rs
I kept thinking about the thermal limiter during this recovery today but honestly only have a vague understating of how it works (shuts down when hot) I didn’t think it would heat up that quickly in a couple seconds.

A thermal limiter can be a thermal switch (auto re-setting) in the form of module inline with the windings or a thermal circuit breaker elsewhere in the circuit. I don't know what they use...but most modern winches (of good quality) use them these days.

For instance when the limiter sees a temperature of 210°F degrees (my figure) it will 'open/break' the circuit and the winch will not run until it has cooled to a predetermined temp and the circuit closes/completes again.

A faulty thermal limiter could be shutting it down prematurely. I think ComeUP winches have a 3 year warranty on electrical, but you might check me on that.

 

[PNWRod]

I purchased the Comeup Seal Slim 12.5rs
I kept thinking about the thermal limiter during this recovery today but honestly only have a vague understating of how it works (shuts down when hot) I didn’t think it would heat up that quickly in a couple seconds.

Did you get this sorted out? The winch should not heat up that quickly. For safety concerns, the thermal sensor on ComeUp Winches do not shut off the winch. Instead, the sensor advises that the winch is getting hot so you can winch to a safe spot and then stop to allow it to cool down. On your Seal Slim, you would get an audible alarm and also an LED light on the remote. Can you confirm where you attached the small green wire from the control box with the white sleeve and eye terminal?

 

[flintknapper]

Did you get this sorted out? The winch should not heat up that quickly. For safety concerns, the thermal sensor on ComeUp Winches do not shut off the winch. Instead, the sensor advises that the winch is getting hot so you can winch to a safe spot and then stop to allow it to cool down. On your Seal Slim, you would get an audible alarm and also an LED light on the remote. Can you confirm where you attached the small green wire from the control box with the white sleeve and eye terminal?

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I'm not sure that this is true. Many Comeup winches DO have a 'warning' feature and some an actual cutout switch if battery voltage drops too low. But I have put in a request to the company to clarify the function and meaning of (thermal protection) for the motor as advertised by them. So hopefully they can expand on that and let us know.

SEAL Slim 12.5rs, 12V WINCH - http://shop.comeupusa.com/p/seal-slim-12-5rs-12v-winch

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"12V DC severe duty winch rated at 12,500 lbs pulling meets or exceeds your expectations.

Heavy duty series wound motor delivers superior torque output and faster line speed. A motor equipped with a thermal protection switch"

 

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Did you get this sorted out? The winch should not heat up that quickly. For safety concerns, the thermal sensor on ComeUp Winches do not shut off the winch. Instead, the sensor advises that the winch is getting hot so you can winch to a safe spot and then stop to allow it to cool down. On your Seal Slim, you would get an audible alarm and also an LED light on the remote. Can you confirm where you attached the small green wire from the control box with the white sleeve and eye terminal?

I believe I hooked it to the ground stud on the winch motor with the winch ground cable. I will look tonight If that’s not correct I will update.

 

[flintknapper]

I believe I hooked it to the ground stud on the winch motor with the winch ground cable. I will look tonight If that’s not correct I will update.

Is your winch ground cable chassis mounted or does it run directly to the battery ground?

 

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Is your winch ground cable chassis mounted or does it run directly to the battery ground?

It runs directly to the battery

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I'm not sure that this is true. Many Comeup winches DO have a 'warning' feature and some an actual cutout switch if battery voltage drops too low. But I have put in a request to the company to clarify the function and meaning of (thermal protection) for the motor as advertised by them. So hopefully they can expand on that and let us know.

SEAL Slim 12.5rs, 12V WINCH - http://shop.comeupusa.com/p/seal-slim-12-5rs-12v-winch

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"12V DC severe duty winch rated at 12,500 lbs pulling meets or exceeds your expectations.

Heavy duty series wound motor delivers superior torque output and faster line speed. A motor equipped with a thermal protection switch"

yes I have seen a description written both ways. With a switch or with an alarm.

 

[flintknapper]

It runs directly to the battery

yes I have seen a description written both ways. With a switch or with an alarm.

Perusing through their literature both on some models.

But I know with some other manufacturers a thermal switch will actually shut down the motor (to protect from overheat damage) and 'safety' concerns are not the dictate for that.

But....I don't know that to be true of the ComeUp model posted here (or for any of their winches). Hopefully get an authoritative answer back from the manufacturer. More likely get a reply from someone in customer service advising to 'read the owners manual'.

 

[enox]

Since we're on a "Winch" topic, mine is extremely hard to free spool. Like it takes quite a bit of effort and usually easier to use the "reverse" function.

Smittybilt XRC 12000lb I've used it only a handful of times.

Any suggestions?

 

[flintknapper]

Since we're on a "Winch" topic, mine is extremely hard to free spool. Like it takes quite a bit of effort and usually easier to use the "reverse" function.

Smittybilt XRC 12000lb I've used it only a handful of times.

Any suggestions?

Wire rope or synthetic?

 

[jonheld]

Since we're on a "Winch" topic, mine is extremely hard to free spool. Like it takes quite a bit of effort and usually easier to use the "reverse" function.

Smittybilt XRC 12000lb I've used it only a handful of times.

Any suggestions?

Winches require maintenance like any other mechanical device. Most manufacturers will have the info in the manual.
I clean and lube the planetary drive gears on my M12K about every 2-3 years depending on usage. It's about 22 years old and on its second 80 Series and 4th rope.

 

[enox]

Wire rope or synthetic?

Wire.

Winches require maintenance like any other mechanical device. Most manufacturers will have the info in the manual.
I clean and lube the planetary drive gears on my M12K about every 2-3 years depending on usage. It's about 22 years old and on its second 80 Series and 4th rope.

Wow! I've only had mine for 2 years, I did spray lithium grease in a little cut out by the cable. Between the spool and the housing.

I'll have to check for the maintenance requirements.