Why can't an 80 flex like.....

[ShottsUZJ100]

What trails are you signed up for John? Just wondering so we might suggest the Far superior 100 series over the 80 in Moab. Remember you are the one that said the 100 could go the trails you have sign up for. later robbie

Spike
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I doubt I'm bringing the 100 though. Info here:

https://forum.ih8mud.com/showthread.php?t=34176&page=1&pp=30

Page 2 is more specific.

 

[expeditionswest]

Who cares? It’s not about flexibility, it’s about completing the task.:

Well, this thread happens to be about John wanting to improve the flexibility of his 80. This is not a general 4wd philosophy thread (maybe you missed that?)

½ right there crackboy. … continued on next :

Why would you write something like that? You dont even know me or my experience in the OHV community and you insult me. Peoples lack of considerate behavior on these boards is amazing...

Actually it sounds as if your view of the world is more intuitive than empirical. :

It is a fact. A Quadra Coil Jeep in stock form will have greater flex with the swabars disconnected than an 80 with the swabars disconnected.

Take this for whatever you want, but wheeling is not about flex.

I agree, but this thread is .

I appologize if my comments have made you upset (enough for you to result to name calling). That was not my intention...

 

[LoneStar]

Any thougths on these bushes for the front?
http://www.offroadindustries.com/suspension_parts/polyflex.htm
Any Australian members seen them in action?

 

[Junk]

Well, this thread happens to be about John wanting to improve the flexibility of his 80. This is not a general 4wd philosophy thread (maybe you missed that?)

Didn’t miss anything. You began steering this into a general 4wd thread with your comments. So perhaps its not that I missed it but rather picked up on it

Why would you write something like that? You dont even know me or my experience in the OHV community and you insult me. Peoples lack of considerate behavior on these boards is amazing...

Because that’s the way I am. Sorry, but no one ever requested I change my sig to read “a nice guy”.

It is a fact. A Quadra Coil Jeep in stock form will have greater flex with the swabars disconnected than an 80 with the swabars disconnected.

You trying out for a new show called Mr. Obvious? Again :insertcrackcomment:

I appologize if my comments have made you upset (enough for you to result to name calling). That was not my intention...

Let me quote your earlier post, then feel free to correct me if you wish “

…TLC colored glasses...
…The reasons to own a Cruiser is not have greater capability than a Jeep Wrangler (which it does not, unless it is a pure WB climb)…
…I am often amazed at how hard people work to try an fit a square peg in a round hole. I guess chock it up being brand centered…
…Everyone here knows how a match-up between a STOCK 80 and a STOCK Rubicon would fair...
…I am sure I will receive some interesting responses to my comments…
…Hopefully they will be more empirical than emotional (as seems to be the trend...)”

Now after re-reading your own words, think I’m off base? I don’t.
Am I attacking your general knowledge of wheeling? No. Am I attacking your apparent elitism? Well, to answer that would put me in the running or a spot on Mr. Obvious as well

 

[ShottsUZJ100]

…TLC colored glasses...
:

This is VERY true. It also seams (IN GENERAL) that the older a Cruiser you have, or, if you're not a 100 owner then the "coloring" get's even worse.

An example: I laugh when you guys tell me I'm nuts regarding what my 100 can do compared to my 80. LAUGH! They're both modified the same (for the most part) and I go to the same places/trails with both rigs. When people dis-credit my 100-series evaluations/statements, WHEN THEY THEMSELVES DON'T EVEN WHEEL ONE LIKE I DO, shows they are not being objective (or form opinions through "colored glasses"). I see Scott's point.

;p

 

[alia176]

Glad to hear that the Montero gave you a helping hand. This is the main reason why I think all 4x4s should play nice! Too often, I see pics of one brand of rig pulling out another brand of rig and blasting it all over the 'net in a not so positive way.

Ali

I kinda HATE to say it... A Montero... GenII wagon. I out weighed him allot, but I really just needed an anchor to keep that passenger side down. Then I could turn back up hill and go. This is a hill I’ve climbed before, just with all the storms and rain/snow it made it slick. I didn't lock, I didn't air down, I wasn't thinking... It was like someone threw sand on concrete, wheels just spun, and got me sideways.

-Ammo

 

[Junk]

This is VERY true. It also seams (IN GENERAL) that the older a Cruiser you have, or, if you're not a 100 owner then the "coloring" get's even worse.

An example: I laugh when you guys tell me I'm nuts regarding what my 100 can do compared to my 80. LAUGH! They're both modified the same (for the most part) and I go to the same places/trails with both rigs. When people dis-credit my 100-series evaluations/statements, WHEN THEY THEMSELVES DON'T EVEN WHEEL ONE LIKE I DO, shows they are not being objective (or form opinions through "colored glasses"). I see Scott's point.

;p

Shotts, I just continue to wait to see real wheeling pics of your 100 though. Not playing in puddles or going up some 2' hill following discos etc, but some real rock crawling. Any big rock garden pics etc?

 

[ShottsUZJ100]

Shotts, I just continue to wait to see real wheeling pics of your 100 though. Not playing in puddles or going up some 2' hill following discos etc, but some real rock crawling. Any big rock garden pics etc?

Ahhhhh.......the joy of 4-wheeling........having fun, seeing cool places, and not trying to prove anything to anyone (except myself).

I try to not get sucked into the "egomaniac" art of wheeling. It's a losing battle. Somebody ALWAYS comes along with a more capable rig and shows you up. There's no point to this mind set.

Any how JUNK: Sorry buddy. I won't be trying to impress you with my 100. It does the job, it suits me perfectly and there's no need to prove it's capability to anyone. I own both. I know the truth. Oh, and sorry....while I'm stupid for wheeling a $75K rig, I'm wasn't TOO stupid to not buy a second rig for playing. The 80's that rig. Now, if my 2nd rig was another 100, you'd see me in the garden (and you'd be eating your words like many did when they seen Amando in Moab.).

 

[best4x4xfar]

Any thougths on these bushes for the front?
http://www.offroadindustries.com/suspension_parts/polyflex.htm
Any Australian members seen them in action?

Hey Lone Star,

Those look interesting. The idea is similar to something that some Land Rover Enthusiasts in Australia have been trying. They started by drilling holes in the radius arm bushings (front radius arm design is virtually the same as the Land Cruiser’s) above and below the sleeved bolt hole. This allowed more flex in the bushing, in much the same way as what you have linked to. Because of accelerated bushing wear, a gent in Australia has started manufacturing poly bushings with slots molded in, instead of drilling the rubber bushing. Results had been good last I heard, but these look even more promising. The increase in articulation is significant, though not staggering like some other methods, but it seems like a very good compromise for those who don’t want to modify the entire design of the front suspension. Surprised they don’t make them for Rovers yet!

Here is a photo of the Slotted bushings I was talking about…

 

[Junk]

Ahhhhh.......the joy of 4-wheeling........having fun, seeing cool places, and not trying to prove anything to anyone (except myself).

Gotcha to bite

Any how JUNK: Sorry buddy. …I own both…....while I'm stupid for wheeling a $75K rig, I'm wasn't TOO stupid to not buy a second rig for playing. The 80's that rig.

Well, Shotts, seen another way, if you’d stick with just the 80 then you wouldn’t need 2 rigs It’s cool though. I guess if I was worried about hurting my rig then I’d stick to fire roads too. Actually though if you wanted to spend $75k on a wheeling rig hopefully you’d find a better deal

… in case I’m not on the forum when you reply, here’s my next post:

 

[concretejungle]

It always gets interesting when the junkster arives.

Lonestar, those are interesting. THanks for the link.

 

[expeditionswest]

Junk,

I will remind you that John asked "why does the 80 not flex like some of the Jeeps he wheels with". I attempted to answer that question from my own perspective and experience, along with a few facts. Your only contribution was an attempt to discredit my perspective and experience.

As a moderator, I would think you would welcome different opinions than "Land Cruiser .... because everything else just sucks!". Why the hostility? Your emotional responses shuts down intelligent dialog, and the members of this forum suffer because of it.

I have said on many occasions that the 80 series Land Cruiser is one of the best OHV vehicle ever produced. It combines the greatest combination of capability, durability, reliability and capacity of any model available in US. If I could have bought an '04 80 (or 105), I would have. However, there are other vehicles with better capability (like a Rubicon), capacity (like a super duty), etc. The 80 does the best job of bringing it all together in a great package. This thread was not about reliability or durability (which the Land Cruiser has the clear advantage), but about suspension flexibility.

I have owned 5 Toyota’s, two of them being Land Cruisers. I have also owned a dozen other OHV’s, including Jeeps and Land Rovers. That gives me a pretty good grasp of what works and what doesn’t. I am not a brand loyalist, which I think can be a benefit on this forum. Don’t you?

Remember Junk, it is ok if people have a different opinion than you…

 

[reffug]

Remember Junk, it is ok if people have a different opinion than you…

Dude, this is only true if its my opinion.

 

[ShottsUZJ100]

It always gets interesting when the junkster arives.

Lonestar, those are interesting. THanks for the link.

I LUV JUNK!

Ooo, that sounds bad.

 

[Junk]

Junk,

I will remind you that John asked "why does the 80 not flex like some of the Jeeps he wheels with".

I know that’s how it started out but you took it further and I merely followed your lead. So I guess you won’t be buying a shirt? I could mail you one anyway.

Remember Junk, it is ok if people have a different opinion than you…

That’s where you are dead wrong. Everyone must have the same opinion I do.

Seriously, what you need to keep in mind is that you have not been a member of the 80 forum for a long time. Once you get here you will recognize obvious (as in the show Mr. Obvious) what is humor and what is serious. That’s ok though, we are used to new folks walking in and expecting everyone to sit down and listen as if in class. At least you didn’t ask how to fit 44’s with stock suspension and how to leatherique your seats.

 

[ShottsUZJ100]

I have owned 5 Toyota’s, two of them being Land Cruisers. I have also owned a dozen other OHV’s, including Jeeps and Land Rovers. That gives me a pretty good grasp of what works and what doesn’t. I am not a brand loyalist, which I think can be a benefit on this forum. Don’t you?…

That won't get you far (or any respect) in this forum with many members. The forum is filled with extreme opinions from many members, some who have never driven the vehicle in which they're thrashing. Take your Rover for example? I've seen modified Disco's do amazing things (and visa versa) that modifed Cruisers can do. There are many in here who would never believe that (just like they don't believe it about the 100) and argue the point.

 

[expeditionswest]

Junk,

Fair enough...

I will work on my sense of forum humor, if you promise to check your "TLC Colored Glasses" prescription (that was my best attempt...)

 

[concretejungle]

Shotts, i know what you are saying, i just stay quiet. I agree that there are many many vehicles out there that do things well. I think the 80 does them all well. But i don't think that a cruiser is the only truck out there, just the only one i'd buy.

Sorry for the hijack.

 

[ShottsUZJ100]

But i don't think that a cruiser is the only truck out there, just the only one i'd buy.

Sorry for the hijack.

Me too. I can't imagine changing rigs. Reliability is far and away #1 to me. Cruiser = #1 releiability = In the Shotts' garage (100 gets the wide bay )

 

[Junk]

Junk,

Fair enough...

I will work on my sense of forum humor, if you promise to check your "TLC Colored Glasses" prescription (that was my best attempt...)

Fair enough. I don't wear glasses but am frequently told I walk around with my head up other areas, , so I'll keep that in mind.