Does your dad know you are taking that Benz off-road? Just kidding, Thai.
Truck Trend 6 SUV comparision includes a LC
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What year is your G500?
uzj100
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Thai said:
Thai: I'm not picking on you this time. But seriously, show us some pictures of your MB on a difficult trail. I looked at that link. That's swell. I seen the picture of the Wedgie in Moab. Here's the real way to take a $75K SUV through it. My IFS has 0.5" less travel than your MB. My rear has 5" more travel. Those numbers are accurate, stock or lifted.
While I don't have pictures of me, I completed this same 3.5+ run in a stock 100 where other seriously modified rigs (Cruisers, Toy's, and Jeeps) have struggled or got damaged. Here's links of that same trail, one link of me in my other Cruiser:
Good friends:
http://www.expeditionswest.com/adventures/2004/hackberry_nov/index.html
My trip in the stock 100 (though I don't have pics of that extreme canyon:
http://shottscruisers.smugmug.com/gallery/625920
My trip in my FZJ80:
http://shottscruisers.smugmug.com/gallery/612677
Reliability is well documented. You look it up if you don't believe us. Almost all MB vehicles fair near the bottom of the pack within their class. The TLC on the other hand (along with almost all Toyota models fair almost at, or at the top in their class. Don't get mad at us for stating this, it's published. I know you can find the info if you found this forum.
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Thai said:
I have read and re-read and still do not see where Mustard mentions your MB or Jeep Rubicon. Can you quote the sentence, please?
Thai,
How many unexpected visits have you made to the MB dealerships? and if so, what for exactly?
I dig the g5hunng and it is extremely capable however the reliability track record is questionable. The reliabilty of the LR3, Twitrag, Dodge, Bummer and Heep are also at the bottom of the pack. The h3 cracks me up but the Hummer team is great at the marketing game.
Check out http://www.jdpower.com/cc/auto/ratings/vehicles/FindJdAwards.jsp and then select the Vehicle Dependability Study. Lexus 1st (11 consecutive years) and Toyota 7th. MB - 28th, LR 37th of 38, VW - 35th, Dodge - 25th, Hummer - No Rank - Used the Chevy Ranking - 13th and Heep - 30th.
How do all these people (with other vehicles) find time to take all these vehicles back to the dealership for issues? I am as busy as a 1 arm paper hanger so I do not see how people take/waste their time because of a product issues that should have been sorted out before the product was released. This is unacceptable.
uzj100
How many unexpected visits have you made to the MB dealerships? and if so, what for exactly?
I dig the g5hunng and it is extremely capable however the reliability track record is questionable. The reliabilty of the LR3, Twitrag, Dodge, Bummer and Heep are also at the bottom of the pack. The h3 cracks me up but the Hummer team is great at the marketing game.
Check out http://www.jdpower.com/cc/auto/ratings/vehicles/FindJdAwards.jsp and then select the Vehicle Dependability Study. Lexus 1st (11 consecutive years) and Toyota 7th. MB - 28th, LR 37th of 38, VW - 35th, Dodge - 25th, Hummer - No Rank - Used the Chevy Ranking - 13th and Heep - 30th.
How do all these people (with other vehicles) find time to take all these vehicles back to the dealership for issues? I am as busy as a 1 arm paper hanger so I do not see how people take/waste their time because of a product issues that should have been sorted out before the product was released. This is unacceptable.
uzj100
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Knock on wood...my truck has only been to MB dealership for regular maintenance every 12K miles. (i do change the oil every 6K miles though.) I have now over 25K miles.
Remember, the G-wagen is handmade in Austria. It is built like no other Mercedes. Track record of it's durability & reliability can be seen worldwide, both civilian and military. Both versions are made on the same assembly line with mostly the same parts. The only major things G-wagen share with other Mercedes cars are the 5.0L V8 engine, 5-speed auto, leather, and COMMAND system. Axles, lockers, body, and frame are unique to G-wagen. As far as i know, MB 5.0L V8 engine and powertrain are bullet-proof. (My 5-speed auto is used in AMG applications with torque over 700 lbs without any major modifications!)
JD Powers (& consumer reports) do not rate G-wagen because it's so rare...just like they don't rate Hummer H1. Therefore, you canNOT ASSUME that what goes for Mercedes cars goes for G-wagen. Remember also, Austria's Magna Steyr plant builds the G-wagens under MB's license. The plant also builds 4x4 parts for many other SUVs of other brands...they specialize in 4x4. It's a whole different story to Germany's MB factory.
I never doubted TLC's reliability or durability. However, you guys don't know jack about G-wagen...yet, still spout off assumptions!
Think about this: How can a truck that is so well-known worldwide (civilian and military alike) since 1979 without a major redesign be unreliable or not durable????????? You would think that MB and Steyr would have abandoned it by now...you would think that the Armies across the world would abandon it by now...you would think Canadian and US Army Spec Forces would not continue to order these G-wagens if it was unreliable....
Suspension flex...G-wagen vs. Toyota...winner is...
Rear suspension flex...remember, MB rated 8.0" wheel flex is for the FRONT axle only. My rear axle CLEARLY can flex more than that. And as you can see, my RTI ramp score is just as good (or better) than Lexus GX470 KDSS. And i do believe that, according to FourWheeler, GX470 KDSS has the same RTI score as TLC. So, in other words, my rear axle can flex just as well as ANY Toyota rear axle. Period. Picture is worth a million words.
Think about it....
Remember, the G-wagen is handmade in Austria. It is built like no other Mercedes. Track record of it's durability & reliability can be seen worldwide, both civilian and military. Both versions are made on the same assembly line with mostly the same parts. The only major things G-wagen share with other Mercedes cars are the 5.0L V8 engine, 5-speed auto, leather, and COMMAND system. Axles, lockers, body, and frame are unique to G-wagen. As far as i know, MB 5.0L V8 engine and powertrain are bullet-proof. (My 5-speed auto is used in AMG applications with torque over 700 lbs without any major modifications!)
JD Powers (& consumer reports) do not rate G-wagen because it's so rare...just like they don't rate Hummer H1. Therefore, you canNOT ASSUME that what goes for Mercedes cars goes for G-wagen. Remember also, Austria's Magna Steyr plant builds the G-wagens under MB's license. The plant also builds 4x4 parts for many other SUVs of other brands...they specialize in 4x4. It's a whole different story to Germany's MB factory.
I never doubted TLC's reliability or durability. However, you guys don't know jack about G-wagen...yet, still spout off assumptions!
Think about this: How can a truck that is so well-known worldwide (civilian and military alike) since 1979 without a major redesign be unreliable or not durable????????? You would think that MB and Steyr would have abandoned it by now...you would think that the Armies across the world would abandon it by now...you would think Canadian and US Army Spec Forces would not continue to order these G-wagens if it was unreliable....
Suspension flex...G-wagen vs. Toyota...winner is...
Rear suspension flex...remember, MB rated 8.0" wheel flex is for the FRONT axle only. My rear axle CLEARLY can flex more than that. And as you can see, my RTI ramp score is just as good (or better) than Lexus GX470 KDSS. And i do believe that, according to FourWheeler, GX470 KDSS has the same RTI score as TLC. So, in other words, my rear axle can flex just as well as ANY Toyota rear axle. Period. Picture is worth a million words.
Think about it....
Thai said:
Oh boys! Don't take me wrong, it isn't about my 100 against your g500...It's about 4 wheeling and the reliablity of the Land Cruiser. As mattar of fact, I once offered my wife near new G500 as her next car because I like the boxy shape just like my fj40 but she wants a E320 instead...
Please, I don't mean to offend you and do understand that everything is bigger in Texas but for a break we do have bigger rocks in California, I've just looked at your wheeling pictures, they're a nice but the trails are just easy dirt roads that most if not all SUVs can do...Again please come over during the next Rubithon, I offered my pilot seat to my brother-in-law, but if you want I can carry your stuffs and you hike along since we're travel slower than walking speed most of the time...Chances are after the experiences you going home wanting something very different...
I want to make friends not emenies. Sorry, I got to pickup a niece/nephew from the airport, they come from Kansas to see San Francisco for the 1st time...
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Thai said:Picture is worth a million words.
We're still waiting to see one.
MB claims 8-inches travel at BOTH axles on their specs.
Enjoy your ride Thai.
mustardfj40 said:
I love it. More assumptions. Hmmm, tell that to the lifted 4runner driver who could not make it up. Tell it to TEXGX in his GX470.
In fact, here is the first-hand account from TEXGX:
"Now I will say that the G500 was alsome. For pure off-road, it would spank the GX with no problem. The approach and departure angles are impressive. Having factory front, rear, and center diffs does not suck. The BF ATs worked great. I will be looking to put some on as soon as I can. I will say that a Hummer driver told us that no one could make it up this one spot and the G500 had no problem. Hummers suck. He told us that he had broke a tire rod last time out."
Seriously, you guys are just full of it...OPEN INVITATION to ANY TLC owner in TEXAS next time i am out. I promise to post on this forum. And if you don't want to bring your ride, then feel free to PM me...i will save some space on one of our rigs for you.
ShottsUZJ100 said:We're waiting to still see one.
MB claims 8-inches travel at BOTH axles on their specs.
Enjoy your ride Thai.
Strange...how i outflexed a GX KDSS with my puny 8" of wheel travel.
BTW, Shotts, stop BSing...MB does not mention which axle. Care to give me a link???? It is a general statement in their brochure. You guys just went from assumptions to BSing...nice.
But, I am happy that you guys can read a car brochure!
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Thai said:I love it. More assumptions. Hmmm, tell that to the lifted 4runner driver who could not make it up. Tell it to TEXGX in his GX470.
In fact, here is the first-hand account from TEXGX:
"Now I will say that the G500 was alsome. For pure off-road, it would spank the GX with no problem. The approach and departure angles are impressive. Having factory front, rear, and center diffs does not suck. The BF ATs worked great. I will be looking to put some on as soon as I can. I will say that a Hummer driver told us that no one could make it up this one spot and the G500 had no problem. Hummers suck. He told us that he had broke a tire rod last time out."
Seriously, you guys are just full of it...OPEN INVITATION to ANY TLC owner in TEXAS next time i am out. I promise to post on this forum. And if you don't want to bring your ride, then feel free to PM me...i will save some space on one of our rigs for you.
Read the Bible verse about the "noisy gong and clanging cymbil" will ya?
Thai said:Strange...how i outflexed a GX KDSS with my puny 8" of wheel travel.
BTW, Shotts, stop BSing...MB does not mention which axle. Care to give me a link???? It is a general statement in their brochure. You guys just went from assumptions to BSing...nice.
LMAO!
Send me a shot of some G that can hang with 4Wheeler's Trailex (GX) and I'll give you credit.
Send me a shot of some G that can hang with my 100 and I'll give you some credit.
Thai said:Suspension flex...G-wagen vs. Toyota...winner is...
Rear suspension flex...remember, MB rated 8.0" wheel flex is for the FRONT axle only. My rear axle CLEARLY can flex more than that. And as you can see, my RTI ramp score is just as good (or better) than Lexus GX470 KDSS. And i do believe that, according to FourWheeler, GX470 KDSS has the same RTI score as TLC. So, in other words, my rear axle can flex just as well as ANY Toyota rear axle. Period. Picture is worth a million words.
Think about it....
But my Dad can beat up your Dad.
Outflexed. I thought you took rti measurements until another wheel left the ground. I see in the pic with the diffs locked both of your front wheels are off the ground. That is not flex, that is diffs locked.
Engoy the g5. Take some more pictures.
Glad to hear about the improved reliability on the 04. I know in 02, consumers were ready to freak on the MB mgt because of so many issues.
uzj100
Engoy the g5. Take some more pictures.
Glad to hear about the improved reliability on the 04. I know in 02, consumers were ready to freak on the MB mgt because of so many issues.
uzj100
uzj100 said:
Ok...let's make it simple...look at the thread again. The first pic of my G500 on the RTI ramp is with my lockers OFF. The 2nd pic is with my lockers ON. It's mentioned in that post...please read it again.
We stopped when the driver's wheel started to lose traction (aka spin). TEXGX is on my T4R.org forum...feel free to PM him to ask if i am lying about all this.
In '02, the major issues were electronic (COMMAND crap) and power door locks or windows...and other smaller things. Nothing mechanical. Nothing relating to the axles, frames, etc.. Supposedly, all of these electronic gremlins have been fixed by late '03. I am crossing my fingers.
ShottsUZJ100 said:LMAO!
Send me a shot of some G that can hang with 4Wheeler's Trailex (GX) and I'll give you credit.
Send me a shot of some G that can hang with my 100 and I'll give you some credit.
Uhhh, you mean, all i need is a lift, right?? Oh wait, that would give me too much advantage over your TLC.
I mean, can you imagine what my approach/breakover/departure angles will be like after a lift??!! Can you imagine what it's like not having to deal with torsion bar overload?? I can.From the MB G500 site:
"Suspension Front and rear rigid axles with longitudinal and transverse links, coil springs and gas-pressurized shock absorbers. Front stabilizer bar.
Wheel travel 8.0 in"
You hide behind the 8" spec being FRONT only. If it has more in the rear they'd say and publish the spec...it'd only help sales. It's quite clear.
"Suspension Front and rear rigid axles with longitudinal and transverse links, coil springs and gas-pressurized shock absorbers. Front stabilizer bar.
Wheel travel 8.0 in"
You hide behind the 8" spec being FRONT only. If it has more in the rear they'd say and publish the spec...it'd only help sales. It's quite clear.
Thai said:Uhhh, you mean, all i need is a lift, right?? Oh wait, that would give me too much advantage over your TLC.
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Luv ya Thai! You are awesome!
