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Clemson obviously has not been an easy win anytime in recent years.

I'm saying compared to half the other teams they play, Carolina should view Clemson as a weaker opponet/easy win.

I'm sure next year these guys will thump Clemson again, the attitude on the coaching staff/locker room is much diffrent than previous gamecock teams. This years recruiting class has turned out to be killer and gives them a great foundation to continue building off of.

Not only does Carolina have more talent player for player they also have a much better coach and supporting coaching staff than clemsux

They go out there and bust their ass against top ten and even top 5 ranked teams season after season, and for the most part if they don't win they are at least close games.

The whole reason Clemson has won so many of the clemsux/s.car games in recent years is all because of the mentality....they lose because they are used to losing.

These new carolina guys have no respect for Clemson's winning record over them, they have no reason to believe an underachieving ACC team should beat any SEC team, especially ones that has it's eyes on an SEC championship.

That new attitude will help bring more wins and help end the end of season fall outs. The games we played leading up to the clemson game are argueably some of the hardest games anyone in college football would have to play, a hot tenn team, a hot Arkansas team and UF/Bama speak for themselves. Theres no reason that clemson would not be an easy knock off win compared to that kind of competition especiallly with an extra week to rest up and get an extra weeks worth of practice.
 
You may be right. There is a slim chance that if USC takes care of business against Georgia, Tennessee, and Florida then they could be playing in the SEC game next year. I think they can do it, even though I have little faith in Spurrier.

Also as much as I hate to admit it, USC will probably go 2 in a row next year in the Palmetto Bowl.

However, if you think they have a shot of beating Alabama next year then you have truely lost your mind.

Jeremy
 
Go out of town for a few days and come back to more mindless and idiotic cock dribble then imaginable even after the way that game went.

Good game you outplayed us and were the better team. Can't argue it can't make excuses it is what it is. You have all bragging rights for beating us for the next yr.

Have fun in the Nobody Gives A s*** Bowl sometime around Dec. 19th as the 5th or 6th best team in the SEC.

Hope you enjoy watching us play in a Conference Championship Game this weekend while you sit at home on your couch. We all know you haven't been to one and won't be going anytime in the near future.

To say Clemson isn't your rivalry game UGA is has to be one of the dumbest things I've ever heard. UGA looks at you as an easy W every yr that the SEC makes them schedule. Your 42-14-2 against them all time. Newsflash thats even worse then your record vs Clemson. You aren't their rival and I promise they don't consider you one, Steen what do you think as the avid dawg fan who barks all the time?
If you don't want to call Clemson a rival thats fine, since normal rivalry games aren't dominated by one team. Clemson dominates the series, the only reason we call it a rivalry is there isn't another team worth playing in the state and we haven't played UGA regularly since the 80's.

"since the holtz and spurrier era we have beaten the SEC East elite...Tenn, Georgia and Florida. We've knocked off top 5 teams and won more bowl games than any other coaches combined in the history of S.Carolina."

Thats great you beat 1 of them a yr you need to beat them all to win anything though thats why your still in the lower half of the league. I wouldn't call UT elite right now either they haven't been elite in at least 5 yrs. And you beat top 5 TEAM not teams singular and Ole Miss was the most overrated team in the country as they proved going 8-4 and not even being ranked now. You did win more bowl games than all the other coaches in your history no fault in that statement, of course you only went to 5 bowl games in your whole 100 yrs history prior to those coaches so that not saying much. Thats like a 5 year old eating something and saying its the best ever, lots of valuable and credible experience to back up that statement.

And if you really think USC would be in the ACCCG then you should have stayed in the league and done it like I said before, you chose to leave your slot as the ACC doormat for one as the SEC doormat.
 
S.Car won the ACC championship in '69

UT is not the elite this season nor last season although they are getting better fast, The last bowl game won by LSU, LSU played Tenn in the SEC championship game....that was only 2 season ago. I hate kiffin and want Tenn to fall flat on their face however they always have a way of putting together good football teams.


S.Carolina beat Ohio state 2 years in a row in the outback bowl...the following year OSU wins the national championship. Put that in your pipe and smoke it if you want to talk about S.Carolinas perfomance in Outback Bowls.

Gerogia has not kicked our ass in a few years, the last few games played have been determined by a touchdown or less. Georgia and S.Car are huge rivals for recruits as well as being our closest distance SEC rival....they are in our conference....that is why they are a much more of a rival than Clemson.

If your not from or live in S.Carolina the battle of the plametto state rivalry really doesn't mean much. For years S.Carolina and Clemson have done a great job of letting great recruits from our state get taken out by out of state schools. The win between s.Car or clemson doesn't have very much play in recruiting.

I have no doubt that S.Carolina will continue thumping off Clemson, all it takes is some leadership and a new attitude.

I just love how sore Clemson is after such a brutal beat down. You know the run is coming....yet play after play it just couldn't be stopped.

I thought they would eventually go back to the wild cat but just didn't need it. The game wasn't the best perfomance by the recivevers or the throwing arm of Garcia. Alot of dropped passes that could have gone for a long plays, but with the change up of play calling to use the legs of the QB really opened up and exposed the weak D line and secondary.

Garcia is alot like Tebow, he's a strong runner, hard to get down, can take a hit (multiple hits). Although Tebow is a bigger guy and that size really helps getting yardage i think Garcia has a much better throwing arm. Hopefully with the 7 deep OL recruits coming in we can find that protection Garcia needs to have time in that pocket and pick apart the D's with that 15 deep reciver squad we have.

I'm not sure why S.Carolina left the ACC, that was a little before my time, and as far as being the doormat of the SEC...i'm not sure that you've watched many S.Carolina games in the past 10 years, They have been a middle pack team for years, holtz had them in the top 2-3 for a few seasons. For the past 5-6 they have remained middle pack. S.Car will never be a powerhouse but with middle pack consistancy it helps recruiting classes, that brings in the chance for a championship team every few seasons, ours is coming up soon.

The doormats of the SEC contniue to be Kentucky and Vandy...and i guess it would be fitting since S.Carolina knocked off Kentucky a few seasons back when Kentucky was ranked 8. Kentucky made it to a bowl game that year and Spiller/Davis and company lost to Kentucky.


Next year might not be our year for the SEC championship, they are addressing the line problems with lots of recruits but those guys need time to put on weight and get ready at their positions but by Garcias senior year i have no doubt they will be there. And every season from now until then they will stomp Clemson.

They are building an SEC championship team so no ACC school will be much of a challenge on game day.
 
USC is not a rivalry game for UGA. It's an early test. It has been a tough close game historically but one we most always win. Been more entertaining lately since the devil started coaching there since as UGA fans, we really like beating him, and couldn't do much of it when he was at fla... we can't beat fla now either, but that's another story.

For that matter, GT is just barely a rivalry game for us (it's a much bigger game for GT I think) and only when the blind squirrel finds the nut and wins a game every 7-8 yrs. This year it was. Last year it wasn't until we lost.

All true rivalrys are dependent on the series being relatively close.

The USC/Clemson rivalry will get more interesting in the next couple years. USC is improving (won't win an SEC championship ever since there will never be a time that all of the top tier SEC teams struggle in the same year) and Clemson isn't going to do anything spectacular with Dabo. They'll be in the hunt for ACCC's some years, but that just isn't that big a deal on the national stage.
 
b/t/w, possible Clemson/UGA peach bowl? Could happen (you lose to GT) and would definitely be exciting for the old-timers like me who lived through the rivalry in the 80's. Lots of great history to that series.
 
If S.Car is going to make the chase for the SEC championship it will really need to be in the next two season.

Florida will be rebuilding (possibly with a new coach should Meyer take the ND job) Georgia is still building along with Tenn. I don't see Kentucky or Vandy being great.

Seems that every big game S.Car is always one too many mistakes or one big play away from the big wins. Then again, that comes with starting so many true freshmen.

And do i think S.Car can beat Bama....YES. To beat Bama you have to do what Auburn did and that is controll the line. We did not and let ingram put up 245 some odd rushing yards yet still kept it a close game.

Maddox, Giles and Miles are only going to get bigger and stronger, Garicas knowlege of the game is only going to continue getting getting better and we are only losing 9 total seniors.

The SEC title is looking good for S.Car next year.

As for bama, they still need a QB, Smelley is free to play for them next season, maybe he can battle for a starting spot.

At S.Car we have good running backs, a great QB, a really fast/talented D, more depth at recievers than almost any team in the NCAA and a huge returning class. There is no reason to believe we cant do it, it's all on the lines and how the new recruits mesh in with the current players there.

One compaint i do have is our D line men are way too small to compete with the Bama/LSU/Florida O lines. Either recruit all players that are 275+ or guys that can bench 450+. And our line backers for the most part are about as big as most corners. That size does make us weak on the run but the speed makes them lethal on the pass rush.
 
steenh said:
b/t/w, possible Clemson/UGA peach bowl? Could happen (you lose to GT) and would definitely be exciting for the old-timers like me who lived through the rivalry in the 80's. Lots of great history to that series.
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Would be awesome I think both teams would be pretty hyped for that one, that last CU/UGA game was a tight one. Hard to believe its already been like 5 or 6 yrs since we played.

Florida isn't rebuilding they have 20 more guys on their second team that could start at USuC they will be right in it and still better then USuC and Bama has proven for 2 yrs now they don't need a legit QB to win cause they play smart clock management football. They don't need someone to throw for 300, or run all over, just needs to be smart and throw it to the open man.
 
dohcdelsol93 said:
One compaint i do have is our D line men are way too small to compete with the Bama/LSU/Florida O lines. Either recruit all players that are 275+ or guys that can bench 450+. And our line backers for the most part are about as big as most corners. That size does make us weak on the run but the speed makes them lethal on the pass rush.
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Bama is going to be better next year offensively than they were this year and you say your D line is lacking, and yet you will beat them next year.:lol::lol::lol:

The only thing that USuC will have going for them next year is that none of the above mentioned powerhouses will have them on their radar.


Jeremy
 
Gundy said:
Next year: CU wins 8 or 9, it is the ACC afterall
USC struggles to win more than they lose, it is the SEC for goodness sake.
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Finally a USC fan with some sense. Talk all the crow you want, you deserve it. Just stop with the SEC champion shenanigans. Or should we start talking about our National Title contention next year.:lol:

Jeremy
 
Same prediction you make every time David.

Clemson wins 9 or 10 next yr tough ones are GT, Miami, Auburn, USuC will be favored in every other game. So split those we go 10-2.

USuC wins 7 maybe 8 tough ones are all of them except Furman, S. Miss, and Troy. UK and Vandy are pretty easy but USuC has proven they can lose to them both so I won't count them early. Loses to UGA, Bama, UF can be penciled in now.

Thats my prediction for next yr, way to early and uninformed I reserve the right to change it if Kyle Parker goes to MLB, we suffer a rash of injuries, or just because.
 
steenh said:
From a UF fan: UGA is just barely a rivalry game for us (it's a much bigger game for UGA I think) and only when the blind squirrel finds the nut and wins a game every 7-8 yrs. Only been a rivalry for 3 of the last 20 years.

All true rivalrys are dependent on the series being relatively close.
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Based on this logic, these are the true rivalries:

UGA - Auburn 50-49-6, UT 16-20-2

GT -None (48-22-2 vs CU & 38-56-5 vs UGA)

Clemson - None (61-36-4 vs USC, 22-48-2 vs. GT, 15-38-4 vs. UGA)

USC - None (14-43-2 vs. UGA, 36-61-4 vs. CU)

I am sure there are many others to point out, but the point is made. That point is that everyone should hate UGA since they are the only ones with rivals in the southeast.

In reality, the rivalries have been forged for longer than we have been alive. The last 10 or 20 years cannot break a rivalry that has been around for a century (in many cases).

my $0.02,
Smitty
 
smittycrusher said:
Based on this logic, these are the true rivalries:

UGA - Auburn 50-49-6, UT 16-20-2

GT -None (48-22-2 vs CU & 38-56-5 vs UGA)

Clemson - None (61-36-4 vs USC, 22-48-2 vs. GT, 15-38-4 vs. UGA)

USC - None (14-43-2 vs. UGA, 36-61-4 vs. CU)

I am sure there are many others to point out, but the point is made. That point is that everyone should hate UGA since they are the only ones with rivals in the southeast.

In reality, the rivalries have been forged for longer than we have been alive. The last 10 or 20 years cannot break a rivalry that has been around for a century (in many cases).

my $0.02,
Smitty
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The significance of a rivalry changes over time, mostly due to how the games play out. There is a difference between a rivalry game and a penciled in win.

I'm sure you'd agree that Fla fans don't approach the UGA/Fla game with the same feelings of hate (football hate of course) that UGA fans feel... We don't approach the GT game with a deep hatred that is indicative of a true rivalry (maybe this year) and it's because only losses fuel that hate, and if you don't lose much, there isn't much fuel. 10 years from now if we've each won 5 games and both are consistent top 10 teams, the rivalry will be rekindled for sure.

For UGA, Auburn and TN are only behind Fla as the biggest rivals. Fla because we are so f'n tired of losing to them, and the other two because they are great opponents and the series is so even. USC? not so much, KY? nope, Vandy? nope. Ol Miss? not really. Why? We don't lose to them often. They may hate us for it, but we love 'em.

b/t/w, that line was just for you... I knew you'd stop by! :cheers: See you Saturday!
 
BELMONT148 said:
Finally a USC fan with some sense. Talk all the crow you want, you deserve it. Just stop with the SEC champion shenanigans. Or should we start talking about our National Title contention next year.:lol:

Jeremy
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Make no mistake. USC is building something special down there. Extremely young team.
Hell, they hung tough with Fla for most of the game. Don't be surprised if they burst on the scene
with an outstanding season in a year or two. Lots of talent is being stockpiled and not just at skill
positions. The big uglies have been a priority of late and they'll start having an impact next year.
Not to sound Taterish but they shot themselves in the foot a LOT this year. Cure those issues and this year would have been very different.
Look, you can have an very good team and struggle in the SEC. Heck, Fla and Bama struggle in the SEC.
Both needed some lucky breaks to go their way to get undefeated. It's just a fact of life when you have to play the best.
Some high school teams could have a winning record in the ACC.
 
This is more entertaining than the political comedy being played out in our so-called media and so-called government. And it's not even costing me anything or destroying my hope for a comfortable retirement or a prosperous future for my children.

Welcome to dohc, you bring a fresh new naivete to the whole maniacal farce.
I'll spare you the quotes but I'm sure someone here will remember that up until last Saturday you were despising the OBC for hamstringing YOUR team. Now you're debating just how many years it'll take him to get the Cocks to an SEC championship, which by any SEC fan's estimation means a National Championship.

C'MON MAN ! ! !
Carolina got a beatdown Saturday because SS needed it to keep his credibility, just like Tammy did during his tenure at CU. DS just let his guys play and see how it feels to lose, in case the Maryland shame has worn off.

I love it that Carolina didn't end their season in total embarassment. And I hope it does show a turnaround in the direction they're taking.
The only place the "Palmetto Bowl" has ever been a rivalry is around the office coolers. It's never been a big deal at Clemson and always was at Carolina around the campus.
It'd be great if it does get to be one, like it has been occasionally over the years. Not going to happen overnight though, count on it.
Joining the SEC seemed like a gutsy move. If you were around when they left the ACC you'd remember that it wasn't over football, it was because USC thought they were going to become a national basketball power and the ACC was holding them back.
How'd that work out?
Now they've joined the SEC because maybe they can win in BB there and maybe it will make them get better at football. They'd never have the huevos to go back to the ACC after the way they dissed them in the early 70s.
USC is my alma mater, I tell people I went to USC to get an education and to Clemson to get a profession. My favorite joke is I used my CU diploma in Columbia to park in the handicapped zones.
I'm glad they've got some good players but I hate seeing them squandered by yet another has-been coach that can get them up for one or two games a year.

Yeah the ACC is weaker than the SEC in football. This is news? Let's finish this season before we play next years games, whatdyasay?

Remember the first comment I made to you when you came on this forum?
I just hope your employer gives you some warning before they start up the urine screening.
 
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lolz at the urine screening!!!!

I haven't partied in years but should S.Car win the SEC championship in the next year or two (and with the way the coaching cast/recruiting has been going i have no doubt we will contend) maybe i will partake in some Cola college celebrating now that i have a few friends that live a few blocks off of campus and fail that drug test!

I have not agreed with the playcalling the OBC has done this season, however i do believe he has done everything he could do to win games. The OBC is stubborn and likes his high flying spread offense. He does have the recievers and tight end to play this type of O, he even has the running backs who are quick, agile and eveh have good enough hands to catch the ball for his type of O. However he lacks a line to give his guys time to get open for that type of wide open game.

I'm not sure what took so long but i think he took note as to how calling Garcias number on running plays really got the D back on their heels. I'm sure he hates calling those type of plays. But it led to some holes for the backs to get good yardage and to some really good one on one's in advantage to the big recievers on the Carolina side of the ball. The were not able to captiolize on many of those lop sided one on ones but it was enough for 2 timely touch downs.

It allowed Carlolina to controll time of posession. Clemson has way more depth than carolina. We have been plagued with injuries all season long not to mention all the guys we lost to the NFL draft the past 2 season that would have really helped out this year. Carolina controlled the ball, the line of scrimmage and the momentum of the game from start to finish. From the first kick off s.car showed they had no fear or respect for clemson nor the hesiman candidate Spiller. It did bite them in the ass with a td return but instead of letting it get the best of them they hung in there and played hard nosed ball all game long. And even without all the experince and depth that clemson had, they were able to wear out a Clemson D and kept them on their heels.

I may have been a little hasty to have wanted the HBC ousted, i don't like how the talent of his players was not being used.

I only hope that style coaching/playcalling carries over into the bowl game and into next season. If so Garcia better learn how to dive and stop getting popped. SEC line backers on Auburn, Bama and Florida could put him in the hospital with hits lke that.

I do believe that S.Car. can beat Bama next year. The nearly beat them this year, bama controlls the ball very well yet we forced 4 turnovers in that game. Bamas inability to throw the ball is their weak point. If you can do like Auburn did and stop the run where do they go???? Or if you can get your offense clicking like we have seen S.Car do on and off all season long (or the entrie clemsux game) you can force Bama into a shoot out like we saw with UF and Bama in last years SEC championship game...Bama can't really hang with it.(on top of that Bama a much better QB last year)

With the bigger recruits coming in next year that gives both our lines more depth. We will be tougher up front for stopping the run. We will need someone to step up in the leadership positon to fill the shoes of Brown and Norrwood. S.Car has had a very competitive D for years under spurrier and with all this returning class i have no reason to believe that we will be anything but better next year.

As for the Florida game...Florida has struggled on the O all season, without harben all the scoring has been on Tebows back and during the 2nd half of the Florida game we shut Tebow down.

S.Car and Tenn are the teams to watch in the SEC east next season, i can assure you of that now. Both teams are loaded with talent.

As for the rivalry game...As a S.Car fan we hate Georgia, they are a thorn in our spine. In recent years every game is hard fought play after play and the winning score is either made or stopped in the last few min of the game. I'm sure Georiga fans don't see us the same way as they have the better of the series. I'm sure they dislike UF much more but Florida doesn't really care about them as they usually don't have a problem winning the Georgia game and so on/so forth. In recent years i'm sure Florida hates playing Miss. State more than anyone else in the SEC.

This season i'm sure that Tenn,S.Car and Georgia will be or compete for the top 3 of the SEC east this season. #1 will be depenant on who's true freshmen and sophmores can step up and be the biggest impact. Can Tenn get the O clicking? Can S.Car solve the O line problems? If both teams can then you may see the east dominated by nothing but a bunch of freshmen/sophmores.


You can't underestimate the talent at the skilled positions S.Car has, there is alot of talen there that just needs a little time to mature. Anytime you have that many true freshmen starting you can expect mistakes, it's almost impossible to avoid. These guys came a long way from where they were at the beginning of the season. IIRC i don't think there was on S.Car false start or holding penalty in the Clemsux game any maybe only 1 or 2 in the UF game. That's a big improvement from the 15-30yds they lose each game from holding and false starts.

There was still a nasty downward spiral at the end of the season. Some really louzy ball carrying cost us the Tenn game, mistakes cost us the Arkansas game and Bama/Florida/Georgia just out played us but we kept the scores close and never gave up playing.

The next 2-3 season are going to be alot of fun for S.Car fans especially for those of you that still like to call us the doormat of the SEC. You don't see Kentucky or Vandy going to alot of back to back bowls do you? But S.Car...for the past 6-8 years, it's expected to see us in a bowl.

now if spurrier returns to that spread, lets throw throw the deep ball (god, garcia can't throw the fade route) and send garcia running for his life as DE's and line backers chase him down every play....then you'll once again see me in the line pushing for the head of the OBC!!!!

I guess you could say i have way more faith in the talent of the players on the field than i do the coach that is on the sidelines.

My prediction...S.Car loses 2 games next season pending no more brutal injuries to once again kill our depth chart and garcia stays healthy. Bama and Auburn are the teams i think will give S.Car a hard time n
 
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With the bigger recruits coming in next year that gives both our lines more depth. We will be tougher up front for stopping the run.
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I'm not sure what you mean by bigger here? It must not be talented. I guess you mean like big slow fatasses who will turn out to be bums because you aren't in the top 25 in recruiting.

If we are saying rivalry games are based at least partly on how much teams hate each other then CU v USuC is definitely the biggest rivalry for both teams. Neither of us hate another team more, even when we win 5 or 6 in a row I still hate USuC more than any other school and want to beat them more. Thankfully we have a Championship Game to go play in so I don't have to think about that miserable performance for a month.
 
BillWright said:
This is more entertaining than the political comedy being played out in our so-called media and so-called government. And it's not even costing me anything or destroying my hope for a comfortable retirement or a prosperous future for my children.

Welcome to dohc, you bring a fresh new naivete to the whole maniacal farce.
I'll spare you the quotes but I'm sure someone here will remember that up until last Saturday you were despising the OBC for hamstringing YOUR team. Now you're debating just how many years it'll take him to get the Cocks to an SEC championship, which by any SEC fan's estimation means a National Championship.

C'MON MAN ! ! !
Carolina got a beatdown Saturday because SS needed it to keep his credibility, just like Tammy did during his tenure at CU. DS just let his guys play and see how it feels to lose, in case the Maryland shame has worn off.

I love it that Carolina didn't end their season in total embarassment. And I hope it does show a turnaround in the direction they're taking.
The only place the "Palmetto Bowl" has ever been a rivalry is around the office coolers. It's never been a big deal at Clemson and always was at Carolina around the campus.
It'd be great if it does get to be one, like it has been occasionally over the years. Not going to happen overnight though, count on it.
Joining the SEC seemed like a gutsy move. If you were around when they left the ACC you'd remember that it wasn't over football, it was because USC thought they were going to become a national basketball power and the ACC was holding them back.
How'd that work out?
Now they've joined the SEC because maybe they can win in BB there and maybe it will make them get better at football. They'd never have the huevos to go back to the ACC after the way they dissed them in the early 70s.
USC is my alma mater, I tell people I went to USC to get an education and to Clemson to get a profession. My favorite joke is I used my CU diploma in Columbia to park in the handicapped zones.
I'm glad they've got some good players but I hate seeing them squandered by yet another has-been coach that can get them up for one or two games a year.

Yeah the ACC is weaker than the SEC in football. This is news? Let's finish this season before we play next years games, whatdyasay?

Remember the first comment I made to you when you came on this forum?
I just hope your employer gives you some warning before they start up the urine screening.
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Where do I start ? Clemson to get a profession? Well...it sure isn't to become a Dr. or a Lawyer.
USC vs CU isn't a big deal at CU...I'll have some of what you are smoking.
USC wants back in the ACC...now that there is funny I don't care who you are.
Yabba Daba Do let USC win? ROFLMAO...I love you CU fans.
USC left because of ACC restrictive policies in recruiting in sports.
I might add they were running roughshod over the ACC in Football (champs in '69) and basketball (preseason top 5)at the time. Got tired of tobacco road shafting the Palmetto State schools.
Dean Smith and that stupid 4 corners crap. NC State sitting on the ball all game long. Getting jobbed
night in night out by ACC refs. ( I think CU understands this part even today)
CU told USC they were leaving too. After USC announced the move the lying Tigers backed out.
They figured they'd have the run at of the house in football. They did until some real football school joined.
On the other hand...your comments about politics are spot on!
Hell, I'd rather lose as a Gamecock than win as Tiger.
Mark this down: When the dust settles THIS year USC will have a better overall record than CU.
Taters 8-6 with a 3 game slide
USC 8-5 with a 2 game win streak
 
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