AltFuel Supplemental Hydrogen Generator

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83bj60 said:
Where are the figures?
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Agreed. I'd love to see technology like this developed to the point of providing an actual benefit. But I want to see numbers.

Before/After long-term mpg comparisons. Long trip MPG comparisons, heck, even some dyno numbers would be fun to look at regarding these.

I know that excellent results can be obtained from the (probably unsafe) use of just a hydrogen tank as an additional fuel source - so the question isn't the use of hydrogen, it's how efficient can an on-board generation system get?
 
Well, I can't speak for others, but my 60 went from getting 10-11mpg to 14-15 mpg with no other mods or tune-up and similar intown and highway driving. That's around the 30-40% improvement. the best I got was 377 miles on 24.18 gallons. Not scientific, but tell that to my wallet, it doesn't seem to mind the results. If you look back through the posts, these numbers are there.

I would love to do an emissions test and dyno test but we don't have emissions testing up here and I wouldn't have a clue where to get a dyno test. At $100/hr, shop time up here in the mountains, things get expensive having others work on your vehicle. If anyone close by wants to volunteer some dyno time, let me know. And by close, I don't mean Denver. Glenwood Springs maybe.

I think one thing that all these posts don't reflect is the cleaning up of the emissions. Mine before I started using the hho, spewed hc's out the tailpipe, you could smell and see it easily. After using the system for a few months, I can't even see the exhaust gases and I don't pass out from the fumes. Good for the environment, seems so. Good for the wallet, seems so.

One other thing I've noticed is that my oil stays a light amber, where before, it turned dark after oil changes rather quickly.

Just observations, not scientific fact, but I am just a simple carpenter trying to make an improvement.

hope this helps.
 
seapotato, believe me I understand where you are coming from and can readily sympathise with your point of view (but that's another story); it's clear you don't need to prove it to yourself, and you certainly don't have to make any apologies! Sorry for the bluntness, it's nothing personal!

BTW, you are right, there is some decent information out there. But more facts and figures would do wonders to clear away all the obvious bull**** generated by the freeloaders and other marketing types and propagated by naive believers.

Keep shooting guys, it's definitely worth looking into, as it would seem the point is NOT generating and burning hydrogen, but to improve combustion speed and to make more power available earlier. Doesn't THAT clear the air a bit?

Now how about getting some figures from other "cruiser gas guzzlers in denial" ;)... Powderhound, thanks for your personal account. Now that makes me want to look into it! :)
 
83bj60 said:
seapotato, believe me I understand where you are coming from and can readily sympathise with your point of view (but that's another story); it's clear you don't need to prove it to yourself, and you certainly don't have to make any apologies! Sorry for the bluntness, it's nothing personal!

BTW, you are right, there is some decent information out there. But more facts and figures would do wonders to clear away all the obvious bull**** generated by the freeloaders and other marketing types and propagated by naive believers.

Keep shooting guys, it's definitely worth looking into, as it would seem the point is NOT generating and burning hydrogen, but to improve combustion speed and to make more power available earlier. Doesn't THAT clear the air a bit?

Now how about getting some figures from other "cruiser gas guzzlers in denial" ;)... Powderhound, thanks for your personal account. Now that makes me want to look into it! :)
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Heh, no worries, seems like sometimes people just want to right off new ideas without giving them a chance. ( that whole round vs flat earth thing comes to mind...:lol:)

Seriously tho, this website Hydrogen Generator :: Index is a great place to do some reading. Some very sharp guys on there doing a lot of experiments.
I'm going to root around in my boxes of junk to see what I have for ss steel, if I have enough to do it, I'll build a tero cell, if not , I'll grab some wall blanks and put together a smack.

Either way, I don't see anything to lose. maybe 100 bucks in materials. ( and there's no way I'm spending 500 bucks on a kit.)

cheers,
ryan
 
For the sake of experimenting, today we were messing around with a few simple electrolysis set ups just using various ss from the toolbox and the kitchen.

for power source, I simply used a small 12v battery and some wire and clips for the neg and pos.

A regular bucket filled with water and a little distilled white vinegar was the electrolyte.

The first simple set-up used two craftsman deep end sockets, one inside the other with some double sticky insulated tape to separate the bare metal. I connected the pos clip to the inside socket and the neg to the outside socket. then submerged in water and connected the other ends of the clips to the battery. within a few seconds the first bubbles started forming and after a few minutes it was producing enough gas to ignite the bubbles as they surfaced.

The second experiment, we substituted two ss mixing bowls and sat one inside the other separated by nylon pieces. this had more surface area and inturn, created more bubbles of which we were able to ignite.

This was a simple experiment just to see how the electrolysis worked with household items and it worked. Now it would need much much more production to match what I have in my cruiser, but it was fun experimenting and very easy to do. the next set up will be a joe cell if i can get the ss tubing in smaller and smaller increments.

j.
 
powderhound said:
the next set up will be a joe cell if i can get the ss tubing in smaller and smaller increments.

j.
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Sounds cool...got a link for the joe cell design?

I was reading one guys account, and he was going to make one out of cheap ss stackable drink cups from wallmart....lots of surface area, cheap and easy, fit inside a 3" sewer pipe.
I need a day where I don't have to work so I can go out and poke around with this.....:rolleyes:
 
seapotato said:
Sounds cool...got a link for the joe cell design?

I was reading one guys account, and he was going to make one out of cheap ss stackable drink cups from wallmart....lots of surface area, cheap and easy, fit inside a 3" sewer pipe.
I need a day where I don't have to work so I can go out and poke around with this.....:rolleyes:
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YouTube - Joe Cell Wapor from Plates

there's ton's of stuff on youtube, just have to sort through.

and just for fun check this one out:
YouTube - Tesla CD Turbine: Punch Bowl SuperStirrer
 
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I'm working on a one now and will post up some results if any....3 stainless plates wound beside each other 2 ground plates and one positive plate...in plastic container with blow back/flame arrestor(a must) in a pvc tube to the intake of my 3b soon to be 3b turbo'd...and a dash switch to disable it just in case.

these systems are for sale in canada for comercial and fleet apps so why not for public use

The LT Series - CHEC HFI Hydrogen Fuel Injection system - The LT Series Hydrogen Fuel Injection System provides the same benefits as the HT version:Increased MPG, substantial decrease in emissions, extended oil drains, reduced maintenance, increased
 
I'm working on one to try on my Honda riding mower. I had an 8 plate going today with good results till it shorted out.I'm trying out different parts out, trial and error, but hope to have my mower up and going soon. After that, the 3B.
 
I built one hydrogen generator, spent $20.00 and right now I'm trying it on my Isuzu pick up. So far I have not seen any improvements, as a matter of fact I believe the truck is using more fuel!! :eek:
 
american psycho said:
on submarines they power the electrolysis with a nuclear reactor.

now there's an idea, mini fission plant on the fj 40 to provide the HYDROGEN that is combusted.

i've got real good information from the internet that says you can double your size and please all women - you clowns buying that stuff too?

no wait, i've got a bridge in new york for sale CHEAP. just send me a wire.
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I wouldn't want to be any where near such an FJ 40 in the event of a collision !!!!! :eek::eek:
 
Nice job on your Tero cell! I just got a delivery of KOH this morning and will be trying out my newly built smack booster on my riding lawnmower. Can't wait to see your results on the 3B. Best of luck!!:cheers:
 
gerg said:
Dougal you really need to speak up on this one, cus I just know your there.
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Dammit, I'm getting predictable.:D

This subject has come up on every forum I visit, on most it's simply mocked.
On some it's got one or two really vocal supporters, these guys always turn out to be either selling the systems, charging to fit the systems or planning to.

For a start HHO doesn't exist. Brown was a fraud.
The only gases you can get from electrolysing water are H2 and O2.

But electrolysing water is very very slow. If you attempt to speed it up by putting out more power, you just end up making water vapour.
I suspect that virtually all the gas these things are producing is water vapour. There are reports of fuel economy improving with water injection (blown head gaskets etc) but if you want water injection then this is a dumb way to go about it.

If hydrogen was so great at improving combustion (it may be, but these things don't make enough), then buy a bottle of hydrogen from an industrial gas supplier and run that into your intake.

Simply working out the volume of gas these things can possibly produce compared to the air volume drawn by an engine will show they can't possibly make a difference.
Look at that truck picture back on page 3, it has air intake pipes that are at least 4" in diameter and four tiny little jars sitting in an egg crate that are supposed to make a difference.

Bottom line:
For every sucker, there's someone willing to take their money.
 
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