So Nissan just teased the Armada

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I feel like grenadier tried to meet that market and turns out nobody wants it they just say they do. Thankfully used cars exist.

price was/is too high.

There is a want/market for a simple as you can be truck, but they priced it at a premium with a worse ride quality and fit/finish than the competitors....the new Armada for example is about the same price.

$50k for a solid axle, 3 locker, SUV that gets 20 mpgs and is not a Jeep? Yes sir!

At $75k? Na.

Ineos did not build what we are saying we want.
 
price was/is too high.

There is a want/market for a simple as you can be truck, but they priced it at a premium with a worse ride quality and fit/finish than the competitors....the new Armada for example is about the same price.

$50k for a solid axle, 3 locker, SUV that gets 20 mpgs and is not a Jeep? Yes sir!

At $75k? Na.

Ineos did not build what we are saying we want.
I mean I assumed 75k wasn’t out of price range this is the LC300 section. I hear you though. Those prices just aren’t a thing anymore I fear.
 
yep...as with most things due to human weirdness.....the pendulum swings wildly left and right

mess it up, break it, fix it, destroy it, complain about it, change it......over and over

we'll see sensible people back in car design at some point.

(have you see modern car designers? they look like they live in a 500 sq ft apartments and have no grasp on the real world)

And yet, pretty much universally car reviewers online say they wished the LX center console was replaced with the GX version, because "big screen good".

No thanks. In this gen, I would much rather take the LX or the Prado center console over the GX anyday.
 
And yet, pretty much universally car reviewers online say they wished the LX center console was replaced with the GX version, because "big screen good".

No thanks. In this gen, I would much rather take the LX or the Prado center console over the GX anyday.
YES and YES to the infinity! It is just ridiculous all of them wining and wanting that giant tv screen from the GX. I just love the LX buttons and two screens solution. I don't even care the smaller screen is of less resolution/quality than the bigger one and it is great to be able to adjust the rear AC, for example, without having to get out of Carplay in the big screen. Oh, and don't even start me with the even bigger TV screen in the 4runners and Tundras. Same size of the first TV we owned in my house when I was a kid. Idiotic.
 
IMO Patrol or Armada what matters is that they brought the full-fledged thing stateside. I much prefer this than what Toyota did by keeping the name Landcruiser while delivering a Prado. Come on, that is insulting at best.
You need to get out of the US once in a while. The Prado has always been a Land Cruiser. And it has been since 1984.
 
You need to get out of the US once in a while. The Prado has always been a Land Cruiser. And it has been since 1984.


Not true, it hasn’t been a Cruiser since day one. Built on a Hilux chassis in the early days, most agree it was/is a good lightweight “Cruiser” as long as you avoid the 2LT series of engines. Come the late 1990’s, there is nothing even close to a Land Cruiser left.

Cheers
 
You need to get out of the US once in a while. The Prado has always been a Land Cruiser. And it has been since 1984.
You missed the point. Land Cruiser or not, the Prado is not the full HD LC we used to have with the 200 until 2021. Toyota whored out the name by saying the Prado is the "new Land Cruiser" in the US. The topic has been debated to death here already. :deadhorse: .

What I was saying in that comment is that Nissan (opposed to Toyota) indeed brought stateside their HD platform with the Armada.
 
They do call our US ‘Prado 250’ version a Land Cruiser in other markets but it has a little Prado emblem below the ‘Land Cruiser’ emblem we dont get.

I don’t know of any other change.

And we do get the 300 in the LX version, same SUV with better fit and finish.
 
Not true, it hasn’t been a Cruiser since day one. Built on a Hilux chassis in the early days, most agree it was/is a good lightweight “Cruiser” as long as you avoid the 2LT series of engines. Come the late 1990’s, there is nothing even close to a Land Cruiser left.

Cheers
:popcorn:
 
They do call our US ‘Prado 250’ version a Land Cruiser in other markets but it has a little Prado emblem below the ‘Land Cruiser’ emblem we dont get.

I don’t know of any other change.

And we do get the 300 in the LX version, same SUV with better fit and finish.
I know, I know...and I own one now in the OT version. Awesome truck, unbelievably supple. Stout and firm at the same time. Fit and finish is indeed amazing, but a man can dream with a Land Cruiser 300 GR Sport once in a while. ;) If Nissan did (having both the Armanda and QX80), why Toyota could not? Nooo, let's bring a Prado and call it the "new Land Cruiser". Those suckers won't even notice. :bang: End of rant.
 
The Armada is an ugly LX clone that will never be as reliable, nor as high quality.

It's a copy cat from an inferior brand.
 
You either "get" the LX interior or you don't.

One "online car reviewer" actually docked several points form the LX-QX80 comparison because the "LX lacked USB ports for the rear passengers" (car confections)

I commented that there is a drop down section at the bottom of the center console in the rear that has them.
 
Posted this in the 200 series section as we’d be looking at the LX. We are now heavily leaning towards a new pro-4x. Interior space is closer to what we want, seats are much more car seat friendly for 3 little kids (tilt for the 3rd row), and in the current segment seems to be the best value buy.

Curious how the few folks who picked them up are fairing. Main offroad use case for us is the town beach, which we go to regularly.
 
Posted this in the 200 series section as we’d be looking at the LX. We are now heavily leaning towards a new pro-4x. Interior space is closer to what we want, seats are much more car seat friendly for 3 little kids (tilt for the 3rd row), and in the current segment seems to be the best value buy.

Curious how the few folks who picked them up are fairing. Main offroad use case for us is the town beach, which we go to regularly.

I love my lx, but I would absolutely not buy one if I needed the space for 3 kids and their things.
 
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