Pistol Holster Mount – Shotgun Holster Mount

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I'm another big fan of weapon between the console and the seat.

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All I do for concealment is to through a light Afghan blanket over it.

I've stored it there while sharing the car with other people, and even had a Sheriff's deputy help me look for my registration without realizing what it was. It's where I carried my long gun in Afghanistan, and it evidently works.
 
Here is my solution. Serpa Stage 2 holster. xdpistols.com - xdpistols Resources and Information. Some rubber gromets for vibration and plastic spacers for enough room to get my hand in. All I have to do is drop the gun in and it locks in place and then there is a trigger finger release to pull the gun out.
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Please, do not use a Serpa holster. That mechanism has a well-proven history of failing in the locked position. There are also several negligent discharges documented and attributed to them. Most major training sites and agencies have outlawed them.
 
Friends don't like friends use SERPA's...

Partial list of trainers/agencies with SERPA Holster bans:

  • US Department Of Energy
  • F.L.E.T.C (Federal Law Enforcement Training Center)
  • Okanogan County Sheriff's Office, WA
  • Dallas Police Department, TX
  • TMACS INC (Pat McNamara)
  • CTT-Solutions (Mike Pannone)
  • CSAT (Paul Howe)
  • CRTC, Inc. (Bennie Cooley)
  • Way of the Gun (Frank Proctor)
  • Northern Red training (Tom Spooner)
  • SOB Tactical (John "Sheriff Of Baghdad" McPhee)
  • Vickers Tactical (Larry Vickers)
  • Defoor Shooting Performance
  • Gunsite Academy
  • Wilson Tactical Training
  • EAG Tactical
  • FPF Training
  • Langdon Tactical
  • Trident Concepts
  • Phaseline Green Tactical
There are more but that's just off the top of my head



I'm another big fan of weapon between the console and the seat.

It's where I carried my long gun in Afghanistan, and it evidently works.

Works great except in rollovers, collisions, and large IED strikes where the weapon(s) tend to bounce around the interior like a pinball. There is an easy, quick, and cheap fix the risks associated with that problem: Quick Fist Clamps
 
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Please, do not use a Serpa holster. That mechanism has a well-proven history of failing in the locked position. There are also several negligent discharges documented and attributed to them. Most major training sites and agencies have outlawed them.

Looks like I need to do a little reading. I had never heard of the failing in retention and can't say i'd be very happy about that. I am familiar with the discharge issue, but that is completely operator error. The center console/e brake area does make a fantastic place to store your artillery while driving.
 
So from the last 20 or so pages of crap I've been reading on the internet I've noticed a trend

1. The gun schools are banning them because they've seen several people shoot themselves in the leg. ( operator error )
2. Some have had the gun jamb in the holster. This would be horrible if you were actually needing the weapon for self defense. However, I'm curious how many of these are operator error as well. If you have a blackhawk, try pulling the gun out first then engaging the finger release. The upward pressure will cause the pistol to jamb in the holster. The release needs to be engaged before the up stroke.
3. A few people mentioned a friend of a friend having rocks and sand get behind the release mechanism and jamming it. I could definitely see where this could be an issue in a non urban environment, example, desert, jungle, etc.

I'm not saying its a fantastic holster, nor am I saying it sucks. Like anything else cars, houses, and women, gun stuff should come with a disclamer that "opinions may vary" . I am certainly open to trying other designs. I'm also not saying that everybody is wrong about them. As with anything i try to take things with a grain of salt until I've seen both sides of the story.
 
Don't know if this has been brought up.

You can attach a holster inside the center console.

I have a tuffy console with a lock. You can drill in a holster on the inside left. You can open and pull.

You can also lock it when you're not in the car.

I'm in California so I don't have this set-up, but if I lived in a 2nd amendment friendly state, I would.
 
I keep an AR behind the fr seats, I booty-fabbed a pouch using 2 bathtowels that pinches under the 2nd row seating in the "up" position so that when dropped back down holds the retaining flap.

The rest of the retaining flap becomes a visual/dust flap over the pouch portion/towel.

Far from secure (keep a bicycle cable lock I could wrap the lower to a seat frame) - but really I normally only bother when I'm going someplace I think it may help (car camping, whatnot).
 
Like anything else women should come with a disclamer that "opinions may vary" . I am certainly open to trying other designs. I'm also not saying that everybody is wrong about them. As with anything i try to take things with a grain of salt until I've seen both sides of the story.

I am hung up on this issue. Forget about the topic on hand and holsters.
Please explain.


When you find your woman, you need to listen to some other's opinion? Trying other designs? As in races?
Also, when you say everybody is wrong about them, what do you mean? How would everybody know about her? Was she previously tested by everybody?
 
I am hung up on this issue. Forget about the topic on hand and holsters.
Please explain.


When you find your woman, you need to listen to some other's opinion? Trying other designs? As in races?
Also, when you say everybody is wrong about them, what do you mean? How would everybody know about her? Was she previously tested by everybody?

It's the internet - how 'bout we keep the topic at hand rather than make chat out of this? This topic is already one that brings out color commentary to some, let alone hijacking to talk sexism/philosphy of relations.

Pretty please?
 
I am hung up on this issue. Forget about the topic on hand and holsters.
Please explain.


When you find your woman, you need to listen to some other's opinion? Trying other designs? As in races?
Also, when you say everybody is wrong about them, what do you mean? How would everybody know about her? Was she previously tested by everybody?

I'm not sure if this was intended as a joke, but since you chopped and edited the actual paragraph i wrote, thereby making it sound different, i'm not going to take the time to explain myself ;)
 
Don't know if this has been brought up.

You can attach a holster inside the center console.

I think back in page one or two of this thread you can see where somebody did just that. Would be a good option for keeping it out of sight though fairly handy.

I keep an AR behind the fr seats, I booty-fabbed a pouch using 2 bathtowels that pinches under the 2nd row seating in the "up" position so that when dropped back down holds the retaining flap.

The rest of the retaining flap becomes a visual/dust flap over the pouch portion/towel.

Far from secure (keep a bicycle cable lock I could wrap the lower to a seat frame) - but really I normally only bother when I'm going someplace I think it may help (car camping, whatnot).

I don't suppose you would share a picture with us. Are you saying it basically rests against the back of the foot well 2nd row ? That wouldn't be a bad place to stash a rifle whether camping or during hunting season. You could probably even get a rifle pouch and suspend it via straps from the mounting legs of the 2nd row. Just leave it unzipped for quick access.
 
I don't suppose you would share a picture with us. Are you saying it basically rests against the back of the foot well 2nd row ? That wouldn't be a bad place to stash a rifle whether camping or during hunting season. You could probably even get a rifle pouch and suspend it via straps from the mounting legs of the 2nd row. Just leave it unzipped for quick access.

I can grab a pic but it really looks like a wad of 2 bath towels - the 1st towel that holds whatever you choose is stitched up on ends to make the longways 'V' pouch, then the other towel is stitched to it 1/2 the width longways - if you make a simple 'T' from both towels then fold & stitch the vertical leg of the 'T' as the pouch, that's what I did.

I even got semi-fancy & found some dark grey towels, from the windows & through the tint it looks pretty close to the carpet. The flap pinched by the rear seats holds quite well, never had it come loose & the dog rides back there & jumps from that floorboard to the rear seat where he likes to ride. For some $15 it's been pretty good, but I only have 3 trips out with it so far ( made start of summer this year ).
 
Works great except in rollovers, collisions, and large IED strikes where the weapon(s) tend to bounce around the interior like a pinball. There is an easy, quick, and cheap fix the risks associated with that problem: Quick Fist Clamps

That looks like an interesting solution. Need to think through the details, though. I suppose I could mount a loop on the intercoastal the seats and console are bolted to and run a long quick fist through there.
 
@ half k cruiser

The three primary areas of concerns with the holster are:
  • High failure rate of locking mechanism (not caused by operator error)
  • Fragile / Easily broken during rough field use or during a weapon retention struggle (aka gun-grab)
  • Unintentional sympathetic trigger engagement
The DOE's (Department of Energy) decision to ban the SERPA was spearheaded by those in the NNSA OST (National Nuclear Security Administration, Office of Secure Transportation) teams. For those unfamiliar agents in the OST are responsible for the transport and security of Nuclear materials, the are the best tactically trained federal agents in our .gov with the majority being veterans of the SOCOM community.

FLETC is the training hub for 91 federal agencies, everyone from the FBI to the Federal Air Marshal Service is trained there.

The folks that have made the decision to blacklist the SERPA holster didn't do so based on rumor or knee jerk reactions, it was the result of product testing by people with solid backgrounds, knowledge, and experience.

When you consider the above, and look at the Special Operations & Competitive Shooting backgrounds of;
Pat McNamara, Paul Howe, John McPhee, Tom Spooner, Larry Vickers, Mike Pannone, Bennie Cooley, Kyle Lamb, Kyle Defoor, Zach Harrison, and Frank Proctor... the fact that all of them (and many more) are actively trying to steer people away from a specific piece of gear is what one might call "A BIG F%*KING CLUE"!

Relevant quotation:
"Opinions may vary, but only some have worth"
 
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So from the last 20 or so pages of crap I've been reading on the internet I've noticed a trend

1. The gun schools are banning them because they've seen several people shoot themselves in the leg. ( operator error )

No. Design flaw. ANY holster that requires a pull of the trigger finger, in the vicinity of the trigger to release the gun is a design flaw. The ironic thing is, the equivalent Safariland holster is either close to, or the exact same price as the Serpa AND DOESN'T SHARE THIS DESIGN FLAW.

2. Some have had the gun jam (not jamb) in the holster. This would be horrible if you were actually needing the weapon for self defense. However, I'm curious how many of these are operator error as well. If you have a blackhawk, try pulling the gun out first then engaging the finger release. The upward pressure will cause the pistol to jamb in the holster. The release needs to be engaged before the up stroke.
3. A few people mentioned a friend of a friend having rocks and sand get behind the release mechanism and jamming it. I could definitely see where this could be an issue in a non urban environment, example, desert, jungle, etc.

Or in a Landcruiser. It takes a minute particle of foreign matter to permanently disable the Serpa. If you use your LC at all, you have all sorts of crap floating around in there that is exactly the size it takes to lock that thing up tight.

I'm not saying its a fantastic holster, nor am I saying it sucks. Like anything else cars, houses, and women, gun stuff should come with a disclamer that "opinions may vary" . I am certainly open to trying other designs. I'm also not saying that everybody is wrong about them. As with anything i try to take things with a grain of salt until I've seen both sides of the story.
Trust me. It sucks. It's the Trabant of the holster world. People capable of using reason do not continue to use them after being informed of this.
 
TO ALL SERPA OWNERS
You should sell / throw away you holster

BUT

If you plan to keep your holster, please do the following ASAP:

  • Empty the holster
  • Take a long sharp knife and reach down inside the SERPA and cut/saw the plastic piece that rests inside the trigger guard when the weapon is holstered (You may need to use a set of needle nose pliers to help rip the nub off)
This will make failure of the push button a non-issue, and you won't have to worry about your weapon being locked into the holster (freeing a locked gun typically requires breaking the tab, or breaking the entire holster open to free the gun).

You can use the tension screw adjustment to provide enough retention so that the gun won't fall out of the holster.


**Ignoring this advice may have adverse effects on you and/or your loved ones**
 
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