Overseas (non-US) Expedition wheelers.... the wild stuff!

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adventure ,scouting, bush bashing or plain old exploration its as much about your individual perception of the trip in hand as anything else we had a loner truck 1980 bj42 3b diesel (thanks rob)which we chucked 30,000 at in a 10 month stretch most of it was hiway but from rivershiver in bc, to our own fun in the arizona desert that was an experdition from wo to go. apart from 33" s and a lift it was stock 500,000 + on the clock
 
taupo4x4 said:
adventure ,scouting, bush bashing or plain old exploration its as much about your individual perception of the trip in hand as anything else we had a loner truck 1980 bj42 3b diesel (thanks rob)which we chucked 30,000 at in a 10 month stretch most of it was hiway but from rivershiver in bc, to our own fun in the arizona desert that was an experdition from wo to go. apart from 33" s and a lift it was stock 500,000 + on the clock
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Or, in Arch terms, Scouting = PFRs (Preliminary Field Reconnaissances).


Hey Taupo - Great to see you on here finally. :grinpimp:
 
roscoFJ73,

Regarding roof top gas tanks, I was pondering the +/- of that set up for expedition runs.

I'm thinking the roof top is the way to go versus mounting to rear bumper. The idea being that expedition stuff is mainly done on some kind of road at relatively slow speeds. I would rather put my faith in my own driving skills (avoiding roll overs, etc) versus rear end collisions caused by the yo-yo behind me. I suspect rear end collisions are more prevalent in 3rd world than roll overs.

Open for comments.
 
Live to Ski said:
roscoFJ73,

Regarding roof top gas tanks, I was pondering the +/- of that set up for expedition runs.

I'm thinking the roof top is the way to go versus mounting to rear bumper. The idea being that expedition stuff is mainly done on some kind of road at relatively slow speeds. I would rather put my faith in my own driving skills (avoiding roll overs, etc) versus rear end collisions caused by the yo-yo behind me. I suspect rear end collisions are more prevalent in 3rd world than roll overs.

Open for comments.
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Well I hate the thought of being trapped in a rollover with fuel possibly dripping down on to me.
At least in a rear ender you may have time to get out and run;).

IMO the only safe way is a long range tank under the floor,between the chassis rails.

Also another reason I dont like 10 jerry cans up top is the sway it causes.
The old rule applies here,the heavier it is,the lower it should be stowed.

This is also a good reason why diesels make a safer long range expedition vehicle.
You dont need to carry so much fuel and it it dont explode.
 
Yea, I agree.

I was pondering carrying two spare tires. One on rear bumper, the other underneath. I guess it makes sense to use the underneath space for gas, move the tire up top.

Good call.
 
Last year we did the madigan line across the northern simpson desert, which is where Cecil Madigan who was the first settler to cross there spent 32 days crossing with camels in 1939. We were around 400-500km from anywhere, driving over spinifex mounds in first gear low range averaging under 80km a day, and we saw no one, heard no one on the radio for 10 days while doing that trip, and crossing over 1000 sand dunes.

This year we headed into South Aus to do Googs track, up to the transcontinental railway, we then headed left for 1400km, following the railway to kalgoorlie, then we headed north for 2200km through 3 deserts on the Canning Stock route, carrying enough fuel for 1200km to get to the aboriginal community at well 33, at around half way. Coming home we crossed the Tanami desert, to Alice Springs, then we came home across the Simpson desert, making our trip cover 5 of the worlds largest deserts in 5 weeks, covering 7500km.

The Canning is one of the most remote vehicle trips you can do for isolation.

We do a big desert trip every year, taking customers from work, I had 8 vehicles on the Madigan line, and 9 on the canning this year.
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i have done some expedition driving in namibia. we used to run our diesels with pure water as coolant, now im sure thats not the best thing but once (at the beginning of gulf war #2) our pre stored water stash was impossible to find because the US had shut down the GPS satllites so we couldnt acces our waypoints. it took 2 days of 46 celsius heat before we started drinking thw water in the rads. we had 2 70 series and 2 hdj81 diesels and all ran water from cape town until way past windhoek in the middle of the namib desert. we did 2600km offroad not including the drive from cape town.

the one thing that saved our lives (seriously) was we always take 4 meters of surgical tubing each. this is because in places like namibia there is some water deep in cracksin the rocks but the crack is less than 1 inch wide usually so the tubing is like a long straw. it works and it saved our bacon.
usually for those trip we were as light as possible due to excess fuel and water that was needed. no more than 2.5 inch lift and tall skinny tires was the norm as well. winches all around and sand ladders for every truck as well as a few sand anchors (scary) for winching.
i highly recommend african offroading if you ever get the chance! it will blow your mind.
 
mr snrub said:
i have done some expedition driving in namibia. we used to run our diesels with pure water as coolant, now im sure thats not the best thing but once (at the beginning of gulf war #2) our pre stored water stash was impossible to find because the US had shut down the GPS satllites so we couldnt acces our waypoints. it took 2 days of 46 celsius heat before we started drinking thw water in the rads. we had 2 70 series and 2 hdj81 diesels and all ran water from cape town until way past windhoek in the middle of the namib desert. we did 2600km offroad not including the drive from cape town.

the one thing that saved our lives (seriously) was we always take 4 meters of surgical tubing each. this is because in places like namibia there is some water deep in cracksin the rocks but the crack is less than 1 inch wide usually so the tubing is like a long straw. it works and it saved our bacon.
usually for those trip we were as light as possible due to excess fuel and water that was needed. no more than 2.5 inch lift and tall skinny tires was the norm as well. winches all around and sand ladders for every truck as well as a few sand anchors (scary) for winching.
i highly recommend african offroading if you ever get the chance! it will blow your mind.
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interesting anecdote about the coolant. And at one point, I guess you have to decide: do you drink the stuff and end up walking when there is no longer enough coolant or still be able to drive but stay thirsty... Decisions, decisions.... :)
 
Brief question about diesels. Having an FZJ80 with the 1FZ, and with Toyo reliability being what it is. How much of an advantage is having a diesel over petrol for long expedition driving. Is it strictly efficiency or fuel availability. Just a question and would love to get some input.

Thanks,

Josh
 
KCCruiser said:
Brief question about diesels. Having an FZJ80 with the 1FZ, and with Toyo reliability being what it is. How much of an advantage is having a diesel over petrol for long expedition driving. Is it strictly efficiency or fuel availability. Just a question and would love to get some input.

Thanks,

Josh
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Fuel efficiency is much better which gives you a longer range for travel between fills.
 
KCCruiser said:
Brief question about diesels. Having an FZJ80 with the 1FZ, and with Toyo reliability being what it is. How much of an advantage is having a diesel over petrol for long expedition driving. Is it strictly efficiency or fuel availability. Just a question and would love to get some input.

Thanks,

Josh
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Other than fuel economy what I like most about a diesel on an expedition rig is the lack of ignition system.


Regards


Fernando
 
KCCruiser said:
Brief question about diesels. Having an FZJ80 with the 1FZ, and with Toyo reliability being what it is. How much of an advantage is having a diesel over petrol for long expedition driving. Is it strictly efficiency or fuel availability. Just a question and would love to get some input.

Thanks,

Josh
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Fuel efficiency

Reliability

Low down torque

Lack of ignition system, for water crossings, etc.

Availability of fuel in the outback areas I travel in

Parts availability in the outback areas I travel in

Option of going BioDiesel

Safer fuel for storage of large quantities and/or refuelling operations

Equivalent performance to a petrol when you have a turbo fitted

The sound of the whistle of the turbo through a 3" pipe:cool:
 
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