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Robbie: We don't forget ANYTHING. AN 80 is handicapped being a trail machine Robbie? No, an 80 is handicapped because it's OLD technology.
With 35's, full accessories and FACTORY gears, my 100 is at the disadvantage. My disadvantaged 100 BLOWS THE DOORS OFF a S/C 80 WITH 4.88's. No comparo just like Todd said). And as for trail rig? Here's a couple of pics (other than size, my 100 goes everywhere my 80 does).

Meanwhile, I'm waiting to see you at the RED light and on the TRAIL.
 
Let me strap a hair drier to my intake and I will be right down to blow your doors off. Really john you are sooooooo funny. Some day soon we will see. Your 100 will never go where I go in my 80. Bring it to MOAB next year and follow me around. If I can find the time to come visit my Brother in law in Tuscon I will give you a call and you can lead or leave me in the dust. Our rigs are a match. both with 4.7 liter engine, the only disadvantage is you are not regeared, We can weight the rigs to see who is too heavy. then let the games begin. later robbie
 
Robbie: Slowwww down boy. I too have a '93, lifted 4", and with cut frames F&R my angles are intense, etc. You speak Moab and killing the 100 and the like. Of course our 80's can take out the 100's on those 93-100% difficulty-type of trails. DUHHHH! It's mainly because they're smaller and have better approach and departure angles. Heck, I know Jeep owners that'll kill our 80's in Moab. KILL 'EM!

What I laugh at are statements of supremecy from 80-owners that think because they drive 80's, have a solid front axle, and have factory lockers that 100's are simply lesser animals on the trail. That's a load a crap and has been proven false by many. For 2.5 years I followed HIGHLY modified and locked 80's with 35's throughout Arizona and on 3.5 and 3.5+ trails with the 100 and with ONLY traction control and 33's. Never did I hold up anyone in the group. I went where they went and 95% as easily. Now with lockers and 35's an 80 will not embarrass me except on only the most extreme or tight/narrow obstacle where I don't fit. Size is a negative of course. (I bought my 80 for those trails....and my 80 hardly ever gets driven any more!)

So, come on to AZ. I'd luv to run with you. If we run a 3-4 trail that's not super tight, from what you've written, you'll be amazed. If we run a tight one I'd bring the 80 along instead. Damn it's great to have both!
 
Sorry Mr Shotts,
are you tryig to convince us, or yourself? :flipoff2:

That rear 100 bumper looks way to standard, not even a scratch, and the approach angle of the sahara bar sucks [I know I have one at the moment until I complete my custom one]

And if you want superior IFS you need the pradfo rebadged [the GX 470] ;)
 
Who is talking supremency john, it sound like you are. I do know the difference very well and both are great machines. But it really is hard pressed for me to sit here and hear your comments some times about how supreme the 100 is. I agree they are different animals, I hope to afford one some day soon. I have driven many different one's both the 80's and 100 in many differnet trims. I think I do know the technical as well as the practial. I have set up many trucks for and wheeled with many people and see what the both trucks can do. Point is they both have there place and some time the young guy kicks ass and some times the old guy kicks ass.
Some times it is not the truck but the driver. later robbie
 
I see a big ih8mud 80 vs 100 showdown on the rocks brewing. sweet

Maybe that would put that custom rear bumper with the needed trimming on the frontline, too. sweet
 
Ooo, TRW, I luv the sound of an 80 and 100 run on a trail that is at the "limit" of the average Cruiser off-roader. Say a 3.5+ to 4? I luv that stuff. It's one of the reasons I wheel with Jeeps and Rovers so often...to see how different rigs do the same trail.

Darren: I need to convince myself of nothing. I have an 80 (and 100) that will simply eat a GX470 alive in almost all situations. (Sorry dude....you're a good man but come-on....the GX's guts are on the ground and the traction control needs help too! Before we bought our 2004 Tacoma we checked out the GX big time and the bottom line was no way as our latest off-roader.)

Robbie: I enjoy the round and round. Luv this stuff and you're a great opponent! Supremecy on the 100? Nope. Only in power, comfort, technology enhancements and reliability. In total off-road capability...no....you've never heard me soliciting the 100 as supreme except in slippery conditions in like snow, ice and rain (if ActiveTrac and ASC equipped). In those conditions, the 100 is a HUGE improvement over an 80 and undisputed. Otherwise, no supremecy, it depends on what you do. THIS IS WHERE SOME PEOPLE JUST DON'T GET IT! Robbie: Talk off-road and Moab.......a Tacoma 4WD TRD with 3-inch lift, 33's, and ARB front locker and all us 80's 100's and whatever else are DEAD. THEY'LL KILL US THERE!!!

Maybe if you visit Tucson I'll bring our Tacoma? I don't speak supremacy on a Taco either BUT, you talk off-road.....MY GOD......the thing was amazing.....STOCK! Modified? Which was the only rig on the ARB run with Christo to not need a strap or winch? Which rig made it up the creek where Christo got stuck? THERE IS NO RIG BEST AT EVERYTHING FOR EVERYONE.....NO SUPREMECY. (But don't dog 100's with IFS until you run with them, especially a modifed one!)
 
Sorry Shed Guy...I forgot you. The rear bumper has had it. HAD IT. Thank god I'm getting Christo's prototype in 2 weeks. My corners are really scratched and I'm done touching them up. I rarely drag them but the drivers side has been lose for some time. Yesterday going down the 4-foot ledge, many rigs destroyed their rear bumpers. Mine scraped badly, this time on the passenger side, though survived except for a bent rear mount. Who cares with Slee's going on soon. Hey, it's still there. The Range Rover got destroyed. I'd a scraped Slee's on this ledge though it would have been fine. I didn't get a pix from that worst side with the 100. Here's a pix of the bad side on another rig. HUGE DROP!
 
ShottsUZJ100 said:
Darren: I need to convince myself of nothing. I have an 80 (and 100) that will simply eat a GX470 alive in almost all situations.

Sorry, it just seemed fopr some time you have an axe to grind re the 100, and it was getting hard to tell.

as for eating the GX, that model here has better aproach and departure angles, is 400kg lighter, has better clearance under IFS and rear diff, better power to weight ratio, is narrower, shorter, and as four wheeler chose it as 4x4 of the year, and fitted 35" tyres to one, I am hard pressed to be able to believe what you are telling me you saw compared to the 100.......

And if that rear bumper is still attached, and in one bit, it hasnt ben dragging anywhere ;)
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Darren: Of course it was 4Wheeler of the Year. I'd a voted for it too.....unless the 100 was created/tested this year too.......then I doubt the GX would have won! Heck, it's F150 one year, Tundra the next, Chevy the next, etc. The new rig always wins! When they're re-done they get tested and a good rig can win.

It's breakover out here Darren. These ledges require a lot of clearance and the GX/4Runner don't have it underneath. (See pix) That's what swayed us.

As for weight.......33's (what fit GX's) with less weight don't gain much to 35' with more weight....for what we do.

As for the bumper......I destroyed my 80 bumper quickly. The corners crush and get bent and look bad. Every time I've nailed the 100 in the rear it snaps back. What can I say?
 
John -

OK, didn't want to get involved in a pissing contest, but here goes... Like you, I own both (though I haven't modified my 100 like you - yet!). Nice job on both vehicles. However, I gotta represent for Robbie, that guy has wheeled his junk everywhere, and does it well. I have personally seen him in his 80 on the Rubicon, not even as modified as yours, and he cleaned it easy. Even took it through Old Sluice. The 100 may make it, but won't do it as well. After all, the Mercedes ML can make it through the `Con, but with enough road-building and winching, anything can. It's about how capably and easily the truck can get through, without needing help.

While I respect the 100, the fact is, in many situations it is not as capable as the 80, as you yourself admit. And not because of size. The one thing that that stands out to me in all your pics is that in almost every one, you've got a wheel lifted. That singular reason is why an 80 will always be able to go places the 100 can't. Sure, you've been able to hang with 80s. But all things being equal, in the 93%ile + that you mention, the 100 will be stuck. I don't know why we're arguing. Nobody's saying the 100 is not a great vehicle. But it just has different capabilities, all thing being equal.

By the same token, being an 80 advocate, I will readily admit that in tight rock-strewn trails like the Rubicon, a 40 will be much more capable than my 80. Until I see a 100 or even an 80 at CalRocs, you won't convince me that one particular vehicle is superior to all others in every situation. So it works both ways. No need to tout superiority, just admit that different trucks have different strengths in different situations.

My $.02,
 
ShottsUZJ100 said:
It's breakover out here Darren. These ledges require a lot of clearance and the GX/4Runner don't have it underneath. (See pix) That's what swayed us.

As for weight.......33's (what fit GX's) with less weight don't gain much to 35' with more weight....for what we do.
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Can you remeber the measurements?

Because I can tell you the gx 470 rear diff has more clearance with 285's [33's] than the 100 rear diff on 36" tyres the front crossmember sits another 3" higher than that, which is again higher than the 100, and it still has 400kg [880lbs] less weight to move around with it, while running the same cv's, gearbox, brakes, and a very big front diff in the GX. Also, four wheeler fitted 35"s to the GX, making even more clearance for that size, in a smaller car, with better articulation with the superior front end set up of the GX over the T bar 100 front end, and the GX has better vision with the taperd bonnet than the halipad 100 bonnet, meaning better wheel placement.

And the 100 bumpers tear off if they have been dragged well, they dont survive ;)
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we are talking cruisers and then you bring in the dark side. yes Taco are amazing but they too have problems, but again the IFS limits the abailty of the truck in the hardcore department. But cruisers are different animals then light mini trucks. My cruiser will out wheel the taco also. The only place you may have the advantage is very narrow areas. other wise the cruiser will kick it ass also< unless you hack off the IFS and chuck a solid axle under it.
Techonlolgy speeking, the 80 and the 100 are not that far apart, your 100 just has better computers than mine. I do not see the IFS as new tech (hell it has been around forever), Your semi floating axle is not new, nor is the tranny, or engine (both are 4 valve heads, cast ironblock, aluminum heads). You have better leather seats, ACC, traction contol, O Yea the big thing you spent more money than me to have the truck you have. Nothing new about that.
have a friend read through your posts and see if they do not think you exulde 100 series supremence in the reading. later robbie
 
John there was no 80 series on the trip to canada with christo, if there was then it would of done the same as the Taco, not needed help. later robbie
 
Interesting hearing the specifics on the GX. I suppose time will tell as to the capability???
(But again, the vehicles are in different classes....compare the GX to a Discovery)

80 comments and stories.....I can make those to. An 80 is awesome in the bad stuff. Nobody disputes that.

What I find funny are comments about 100's that sell them short and from people that have never driven them in the tough stuff let alone modified or with lockers. You asked about all the wheel lifts? Yes, I luv pointing the trucks into those positions and riding through. Very cool feeling. You point out wheel lifts being a "flex issue"? Hee hee, the 100 has more rear flex than the OME 80 and almost as much up front (7.5-inches travel). Looking at these pictures of both trucks and in the same places does show what you say about flex....or does it??? The 100's right there too on the flex scale and the 80 has L-Series shocks. 3-inch lift on the 100, 4-inch on the 80. Pretty close overall with a SMALL edge going to the 80? OK, OK, sure, you can modify an 80 even more. Sure. You can also modify a 100 more too like we've seen in TT. Let's keep to the "usual rig styles"?
 
This is getting nasty. Showdown, stock vs stock and modified vs modified. Let a non-owner of either be the judge.
 
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