Lc 80 Vs Mitsubishi Montero

[Fiveo]

Josh I can only sleep sideways in my 80. Not sure about a 60. The full size Monty is as long if not longer than the 80

 

[tntoyota]

I think I understand your concept regarding getting the truck back to stock handling with the bigger tires.

Think of what you have right now as a LC with 3:61 gears, factory tire's (28's), and a speedo set for 33's because it is the same thing, ex the weight difference of wheel tire combo's.

(quick refrence is to deduct .10 of gear per 1")

But how will that affect MPG?

Mechanical Advantage


1: If you look at the HP/ Trq specs on your motor you will find that it does not produce power low in the revs. Like a Diesel or a Chevy.

2: Gears replace the "lug" in the engine to get it back to that point.

3: "lugging" IMO puts more strain on an engine and given a gas motors design the only thing it can do is use more fuel. A gas motor basically runs on the balance of its vacuum. Just like towing a big az boat with you everywhere you go, which in effect IS what you are doing right now, in order to maintain a correct air/fuel mix that the spark plugs can detonate it must overcome this by basically throwing more fuel at it. There is more too it but not important at this time, it has to do with the ignition system, timing, blah, which a Diesel's not have.


3: Diesel has a vac but very slight and only brought on by gas's returning or contracting from the EX part of the Explosion, (Diesel breaks are Hydro boost, not vac assist like a gas) Diesel is injected Gas has to have a correct a/f ratio in order to burn more optimum and efficient.



MPG

However, the MPG will not be exact but this is a small draw back of it. You'd have to have a wheel/ tire combo that weighed as much as the 33's but only had the outer diameter of the 235(?) 28" tire in order for it to have the same effect, ie you have more wheel tire weight, but like I said this is a SMALL draw back of the 2" of groung clearance, Clarance you've now got.

 

[tntoyota]

Asshooter, My issue isnt with the 3FE. I wouldnt trade the small amount of power the FJZ80 gives for it's problems with HG.

We brought another over to the dark side....moohahaha




3ForEver!

 

[Fiveo]

TNTOYOTA..Ok let me see if I get this correct. Your saying I am having to burn more fuel cause I have bigger tires. Right? That part I get. Lugging? Does that mean, running bigger than stock tires? But my question remains. If I regear to match my tires, will that improve my MPG by not having to use as much fuel to turn the tires? And my last question. What is a optimum MPG a 80 can get. Even stock, isn't it around 14 mpg?

 

[tntoyota]

TNTOYOTA..Ok let me see if I get this correct. Your saying I am having to burn more fuel cause I have bigger tires. Right? That part I get. Lugging? Does that mean, running bigger than stock tires? But my question remains. If I regear to match my tires, will that improve my MPG by not having to use as much fuel to turn the tires? And my last question. What is a optimum MPG a 80 can get. Even stock, isn't it around 14 mpg?

CURECT-amundo!

I think real world 3fe is 13mpg


Well if I told you and you didnt get the results would I be liable?

What gears do you want?


What I'm trying to say is well, no, your mpg will not be the same.

If you want to get gears then to find out all you have to do is put the 28's back on and weld about 40lbs of steel to each wheel to get the same results.


Also the condition or "tune" of your motor has allot to do with it as well.


I'd PM MajAddiction and ask him then x reference w/ what you're getting. IDK.



.......oh, and be glad this is not in 80's ther would be about 40 posts with "you dont get an 80 then worry about MPG", "if you are looking for MPG get a Honda" or something to that effect in them

 

[Fiveo]

IM DUMB!!! BUT NOT STUPID. Thats why I posted here.

 

[Fiveo]

TNT Okay lets make this easy. Can I get better MPG by choosing a different set of gears? A) yes B) no

 

[tntoyota]

TNT Okay lets make this easy. Can I get better MPG by choosing a different set of gears? A) yes B) no

I guess A, WTF are you getting now?

Milleage... well... I can average about 14 MPG, but my driving is crazy right now. I'm getting about 12, towing, and lots of work off roading, and Interstate driving at 75, 80 MPH most of the time.

The speedo is about 7 MPH off at 70 MPH, with GPS. It changes, increases actual speed as you go faster.

 

[Fiveo]

I get about 13

 

[tntoyota]

I get about 13

speedo corrected?

(speedometer not converted with tires) .

Speedometer = odometer

..

https://forum.ih8mud.com/79-95-toyota-truck-tech/199677-mpg-question.html

No kidding. . .I average 12-14mpg in my 'burb, with a V8 350 and 36x12.5"s.

And no, no codes.

I have a feeling your math/ speedo is off....


(JUST FOR PERSPECTIVE)
lets say if it is off 3/10ths per mile at 400 miles thats 120 miles....(right?)


.400 (odo miles)
-120
.280 (real miles)


or is it

.400 (true miles)
+120
.520 (odo reading)



this is just for illustration

 

[tntoyota]

I see promise in you, young grasshopper....

 

[Fiveo]

When I factor my Speedo and Odo I add 7% to compensate for the 33's not exact math but, ball park. That gets me the 13 mpg

 

[tntoyota]

When I factor my Speedo and Odo I add 7% to compensate for the 33's not exact math but, ball park. That gets me the 13 mpg

got it, I would try to get a better idea. And for you I'd say you do allot of open flat driving (I just noticed AZ). thats where you can get away with a sleepy (low revs) engine, thats why your mpg is so high. Mountain and city guys wont get that.

Now it's all in weather or not you need or want the low end power and better towing. All of which are not attributes of an MPG rig.


Its hard to say weather or not you'll get MORE mpg, because gears will take off the load (or strain) that the higher RPMs your engine will be turning might take back in MPGs.......hard to say.


Depends on what you need out of it.

 

[KliersLC]

You will never get good mileage out of the 3fe. The Monteros are great rigs and would suit your purposes very well. They are not quite as durable as the 80, but the IFS will handle better on the dirt and is cheaper to maintain. For freeway mileage just do the math. If you go 1000 miles in the 80 at 13mpg it will cost you 230 dollars. (assuming $3 per gal) In the montero, the same distance will cost you 150 bucks.

You will save 80 dollars in fuel every thousand miles. I think that should cover any extra parts to repair...

The 80 will last longer. It is much stouter, and engineered to go 700k. (that is 161,000 in fuel....)

 

[KliersLC]

Would you like to sell your kaymar seperately?

 

[Fiveo]

I might but it's not the full bumper. It's just the carrier that bolts onto the OEM bumper. I think the PO said he paid 500.00 for it.

 

[KliersLC]

PM sent

 

[joshoisasleep]

wait, sideways? How could you possibly sleep sideways? Unless you're like 4 feet tall...

Don't your seats fold down??

Yeah if you're worried about mpg and fuel costs... that's why I don't drive the 62 with the gas engine in it anymore... 3fe isn't good for that.

 

[Fiveo]

LOL Ok sleep is pushing it. I have napped sideways with seats down and one legged bent.

 

[alia176]

The Montero comes with a DOHC, a stock rear locker, ABS, air bags, way more comfy seats, almost 10 more MPG, a stock thermometer, compas, and angle thingy.

Am I crazy? Oh and I can get one for about 1500, 2000 grand less then I can sell the 80 for. Plus a few grand from my 02 Focus I will be selling. All of which I plan to but right back in the Montero in PM and mods. Like 33, lift lights and a ARB bumper.

I just will no longer be a LC owner. Am I crazy?

Not crazy at all; your points are valid and you definitely know your future plans for an offroad rig. A Montero will suite your needs nicely, especially in the mpg dept. I don't know about the different Montero generations but a buddy has a '92 (I think) and his rear axle is just beefy as the 80 rear axle with huge rotors. Plus, there seemed to be more interior space and that sunroof , it's HUGE!

Go for it w/o any guilt!