Kaymar Ya or Na?

[Brentbba]

Don't know if just drilling and adding the spindle is enough. There's also the welded carrier swing away catch, so don't think it would be to easy. I'll try to find an old post of mine with a pic with the carrier so you can see the set up on the DS.

Edit - check this out https://forum.ih8mud.com/showthread.php?t=41862&highlight=Kaymar

Here are original install pics. https://forum.ih8mud.com/showthread.php?t=41563&highlight=Kaymar

 

[Steve-O]

Yeah adding a pivot to a non-pivot Kaymar isnt the easiest thing to do. Kaymar does not sell the pivots seperately, so you will have to find a used pivot cut out of and old bumper. You will have to cut through the diamond plate, which is pretty easy, but you will also have to weld the pivot to the bumper in two different places. The little lock/catch mechanism is attatched to the pivot, so you dont need to add that, but it does have to line up right. I do have a used pivot here if your interested, but it is pretty tough to install.

 

[Spydaz]

Thats why you have to go with the Dual Pivot baby!!! Just ordered the bumper from MAF (thanks steve) and the tire carrier. So can't wait to install. I will post some pics for you guys on the install so that anyone looking to buy knows what they have to do. i wish that Kaymar would make a pivoting ladder like hanna, i would def like that. Next is the Jerry can holder and the work light (christmas is comming)!!!

GBell: i will e-mail you when i get to the electrical part. One question though: If you do not have the stock trailer option on the truck are the wires still there. I would look myself but i am in my office and have no time to get to the truck right now.

 

[dryfly]

I got rear ended last summer and had a Kaymar put on during the repairs. It was the perfect time to do it. I think it cost me about $400. No I need the tire carrier.

 

[dclee]

We always drill through and put a nut on the back, I'm pretty sure Kaymar includes them and extra longer bolts actually. I think it would be impossible not to drill through the rear cross-brace, it sits right up against the bumper. Besides, putting a nut on the back is so much easier than tapping that bumper 4 times per carrier. I'm not saying you did it wrong, and Kaymar might tell you to tap it, but my way is much easier!

I drilled all the way through. Much stronger that way, though it puts a lot of holes in the crossmember. Of course, when I sold my Kaymar and went to the 4x4Labs bumper, my crossmember got hacked off anyway!

 

[offroadkid]

As per your request, here is a pic of my Kaymar I installed last week. I also stuck the ARB winch bumper in front.

Very easy install, but I keep forgetting to close the top hatch before I latch the tire carrier! I too drilled through both like Derek did, even though it said not too.

Pic was taken from the top of Genoa Peak in Nevada this weekend at the Parents' house. (Not the Rubicon)

 

[C6H12O6]

BTW. Its a YA, you can back into a telephone poll and only have to remove the splitters from the bumper that stuck to it, then drive away. Don't ask me how I know, it was dark out OK

That's worth the cost of the bumper right there. I backed into a tree with the stock bumper at about 1/4 mph and caused $7K+ in damage. Not pretty. Sliders and a bumper just got bumped ahead of hardwood floors and a new couch on "the list."

 

[Jim_Chow]

A couple of questions for anyone:
1) Why doesn't kaymar just pre-drill their pivot bumpers for the tire/gas can carrier latch? It would make installation simpler.

2) Why does it seem like most rigs have the tire on the right side? I can understand how that's preferable with right-hand drive vehicles (Australia, S. Africa, Japan, etc.), but if the tire were on the left side for a left-hand drive vehicle, it won't reduce rear window vision as much, plus when you park along the curb for loading, the carrier isn't in the way. I went w/ a left-hand tire carrier and much prefer it on that side.

 

[Steve-O]

A couple of questions for anyone:
1) Why doesn't kaymar just pre-drill their pivot bumpers for the tire/gas can carrier latch? It would make installation simpler.

2) Why does it seem like most rigs have the tire on the right side? I can understand how that's preferable with right-hand drive vehicles (Australia, S. Africa, Japan, etc.), but if the tire were on the left side for a left-hand drive vehicle, it won't reduce rear window vision as much, plus when you park along the curb for loading, the carrier isn't in the way. I went w/ a left-hand tire carrier and much prefer it on that side.

Well for #1, they dont pre-drill because not everyone installs a carrier right away, and some people only want one carrier. I guess when they started manufacturing them, people didnt want 8 extra holes in the bumper if they werent going to do dual carriers. For #2, it is really personal choice as to what side the carriers are put on. Most people do the right side here in the states, and I only know of one good argument for this.... If you are stopped on the side of the road, and have to open the carrier, you dont want to open it into traffic. Other than that, everyone has a different opinion as to what side will give you a better view out the rear. to personal preference!

 

[landtank]

That's funny Steve. I wanted my carrier on the left side so when I stop by the side of the road and open the carrier I'm not blocked from the side walk because someone is parked behind me. That would make loading and unloading a real PITA.

 

[Dogburn]

Well for #1, they dont pre-drill because not everyone installs a carrier right away, and some people only want one carrier. I guess when they started manufacturing them, people didnt want 8 extra holes in the bumper if they werent going to do dual carriers. For #2, it is really personal choice as to what side the carriers are put on. Most people do the right side here in the states, and I only know of one good argument for this.... If you are stopped on the side of the road, and have to open the carrier, you dont want to open it into traffic. Other than that, everyone has a different opinion as to what side will give you a better view out the rear. to personal preference!

Steve,

Aren't the available tire carriers different widths as well? That is to say, a single tire carrier, whether left or right side configured, is wider than a dual carrier for either side? It seems like Kaymar would have a lot of holes in the bumper trying to accomodate all possibilities of their accessory combinations--better off not predrilling at all and letting the end user "customize" the bumper to match the specific configuration of accessories.

I had to drill the bumper and cross member as well, but the longer hardware was not supplied by Kaymar, so I bought longer bolts, washers and nuts to make it work like a MAF installation.

-Dog

 

[valkyrie610]

Steve, here's a trivia question for you. When did Kaymar change spindle sizes? I got hold of a Kaymar stuck in the back of a warehouse in Canada with a left side tire carrier. The hole on the carrier is too small to fit over the spindle with the bearings on. Kaymar can't figure it out, they asked for pictures (which I need to take & send).

I am only guessing that at some time, they used a smaller spindle & sleeve, then changed to a larger spindle? That is the only way I can figure out why they are two different sizes? Before I throw in the towel on getting help from Kaymar and cut the sleeve off & reweld one, do you have any ideas?

If I do have to do that, what vehicel is the larger spindle off of? I tried to cross reference the spindle size to bearings and it seems close to Ford trucks in diameter but not in height.

Any ideas?

 

[Steve-O]

That's funny Steve. I wanted my carrier on the left side so when I stop by the side of the road and open the carrier I'm not blocked from the side walk because someone is parked behind me. That would make loading and unloading a real PITA.

Good job Rick, now you've gone and messed up my logic. There you have it, tire carrier sides remain a personal preference.

 

[Steve-O]

Steve,

Aren't the available tire carriers different widths as well? That is to say, a single tire carrier, whether left or right side configured, is wider than a dual carrier for either side? It seems like Kaymar would have a lot of holes in the bumper trying to accomodate all possibilities of their accessory combinations--better off not predrilling at all and letting the end user "customize" the bumper to match the specific configuration of accessories.

-Dog

Good point, on the 80 you can run dual tire carriers, which are shorter. Yeah you would have holes all over that bumper!

 

[Steve-O]

Steve, here's a trivia question for you. When did Kaymar change spindle sizes? I got hold of a Kaymar stuck in the back of a warehouse in Canada with a left side tire carrier. The hole on the carrier is too small to fit over the spindle with the bearings on. Kaymar can't figure it out, they asked for pictures (which I need to take & send).

I am only guessing that at some time, they used a smaller spindle & sleeve, then changed to a larger spindle? That is the only way I can figure out why they are two different sizes? Before I throw in the towel on getting help from Kaymar and cut the sleeve off & reweld one, do you have any ideas?

If I do have to do that, what vehicel is the larger spindle off of? I tried to cross reference the spindle size to bearings and it seems close to Ford trucks in diameter but not in height.

Any ideas?

Roughly 2 years ago Kaymar did change the spindle size yes......... But the tire and can carriers stayed the same. The spindle was upgraded to a larger size, the ID of the bearings were made larger to match this. Whats wierd about what you said is that the OD of the bearings stayed the same. The spindles are made by Kaymar I believe, I have never been able to cross reference those to another spindle out there.

Kaymar has changed the latches, spindles, and bearings, but the sleeves on the carriers have always been the same. It sounds like you have a newer style bumper, with older style bearings. I have extra sets of the new bearings coming in later this month, the part number is KA 6032. Hope this helps!

 

[e9999]

didn't I read someplace that you can not run two 35s if you have dual carriers, cuz they won't fit?

 

[Steve-O]

didn't I read someplace that you can not run two 35s if you have dual carriers, cuz they won't fit?

Probably, I dont think they will fit either. I think 33 would be the max.

 

[dclee]

Only dual carrier that can fit 35's that I am aware of is the Opposite Lock. But from what I hear they are pretty shoddy design and build quality.

 

[valkyrie610]

Roughly 2 years ago Kaymar did change the spindle size yes......... But the tire and can carriers stayed the same. The spindle was upgraded to a larger size, the ID of the bearings were made larger to match this. Whats wierd about what you said is that the OD of the bearings stayed the same. The spindles are made by Kaymar I believe, I have never been able to cross reference those to another spindle out there.

Kaymar has changed the latches, spindles, and bearings, but the sleeves on the carriers have always been the same. It sounds like you have a newer style bumper, with older style bearings. I have extra sets of the new bearings coming in later this month, the part number is KA 6032. Hope this helps!

Hmmmm. Strangly, that makes sense! I wonder why Kaymar couldn't come up with that info? The bearing must be available somewhere, but if Timkin can't cross it I'm out of ideas...

I'll go remeasure & photograph it so I can be sure to order the correct bearings.... assuming you can access the specs of the new bearings?

When you say later this month- do you mean between now & Friday?

 

[Jim_Chow]

That's funny Steve. I wanted my carrier on the left side so when I stop by the side of the road and open the carrier I'm not blocked from the side walk because someone is parked behind me. That would make loading and unloading a real PITA.

That was exactly what I referred to in point #2. I'm pretty sure the reason why the '90-91 4Runners w/ tire carriers and all the 80's and 100's have the carrier on the right is the major markets (Australia, Japan, S. Africa, etc.) are right-hand drive, so the carrier does not obscure one's vision and it opens away from the curb for easy loading. Also, you know why Japanese electronics (eg, cameras) seem to have a coin cover where a US coin doesn't quite fit just right? They fit 100 yen (~$1) coins, which is closer to the size of a nickel, but thinner. This leads me to believe the right-hand factory carrier was a product of the JDM market, as they tend to test new products there first and introduce the successful models to the remainder of the world. At least that's how it used to be, before vehicles were built specifically for the N. American market like the Taco.