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why not just new bearings? other than the clatter and leak it idles smooth. Does it chew up the rods and crank that easily/quickly? When you say rings, you are talking piston rings, correct? Are they going to be damaged due to the rods' instability on the crank?
 
well the bearing material is soft, when you spin a bearing that is exactly what happens, one bearing spins with the crank and goes under or above the other half, usually the crank surface is screwed first if you continue to drive than the rod surface get scoured too.
you can take the crank and or rod to a machine shop and have them resurfaced, then plasti-gauge every thing and just order new bearings, if you want, i mentioned crank kit and rings, because if the engine has a lot of miles putting new rings in now would be easier than doing all the crank work and driving it for a week and loosing a ring.
 
Yeah I was kinda making sure I wasn't taking advice from a crazy person. The problem here is that the budget for this build only has about another $150ish in it, so, it may just end up in a lake. The cylinder walls all felt good, but I'll guess I'll know more tomorrow.

143,000 but I have absolutely no history so I understand what yer saying

Thanks!
 
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carfax the vin you will be surprised.
i went through three engines last year trying to shortcut s***, and all three spun the bearings, two of them was directly connected to a head i bought from ebay, the third indirectly connected to that head.
buy good replacement parts and you should not have a problem, i know money is tight, i have been out of work since 08/2009 but you are better to wait than to buy cheap parts.
 
Its more that I alloted a set amount for this truck and anything more comes out of my motorcycle or Subaru fund. I bought this on a whim, I've had a few 4runners and land cruisers before and I have had really good luck flipping cars this year. My plan was to drive it for a while and then pass it on. I may just suck it up and pay the extra. I have been extremely fortunate in the job area. Govt. work isn't always a bad thing!
 
toy4xfun said:
also i do not know of any other rings in an engine than those on the pistons!
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All the bottom end bearings... "Re-ring" is just the general term for replacing them.


Big ends, mains, thrusts... All resemble a ring.

You can clean it all up and via the FSM find out if it's in spec, measure the crank, plastigauge, then replace and break-in... Then there ya go, saved all that machine shop labor.


Don't forget the sleeve and seal. If you need it.
 
I got it all apart, everything looks really good except the dead bearing. I will measure it all tomorrow. Is that the harmonic balancer that fits in between the cam and timing chain? I actually found one of those out at the boneyard yesterday, don't know about using it because it runs good now. Again, I've never tried to piece one together like this. I have always completely disassembled the motor and started over.



I work for the fire dept. so job security is pretty good, and it's city govt. so not too much crap to deal with. I just started trying for a position out at Pantex, the national nuclear weapons assembly and disassembly plant.
 
oh s***.............get an FSM
Pogue said:
I got it all apart, everything looks really good except the dead bearing. I will measure it all tomorrow. Is that the harmonic balancer that fits in between the cam and timing chain? I actually found one of those out at the boneyard yesterday, don't know about using it because it runs good now. Again, I've never tried to piece one together like this. I have always completely disassembled the motor and started over.



I work for the fire dept. so job security is pretty good, and it's city govt. so not too much crap to deal with. I just started trying for a position out at Pantex, the national nuclear weapons assembly and disassembly plant.
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The harmonic balancer is the big pulley that bolts to the end of the crankshaft, at the bottom front of the engine. Besides driving the belts on the front of the engine, it acts like a small flywheel to balance out small vibrations in the engine, there's actually a rubber dampener between the center hub and the shieves.

Which bearing is "dead"?
 
Sorry I didn't give it it's "fancy" name. I was taught it's a crank pulley. The fact that it is a balanced rotating mass gives it the inherent quality of absorbing minor vibrations. Harmonic Balancer sounds like Master of the Custodial Arts, still just a janitor... my fault.

I was out at the junkyard looking for interior pieces and came across this dished plate with an offcenter hole in it fit between the timing chain and the cam on an87 or 88. Don't have a clue what it's supposed to do.

On to important things, bearing #1 is spun, all the others look good, but obviously I am doing them all. The crank is good and the rods cleaned up with just a wire wheel and polishing. The problem is I have old style rods. Offset tang on both sides and oil holes on both. I just want to make sure there isn't anything special I need to do. I can just put in a set of the old ones and be good, right? I did a search but didn't find a lot. My concern is brought up since it was touched on earlier the heads aren't interchangeable, are these? Or is this what killed this bearing?

Thanks from the stupid guy in the back of the class.
 
I am sorry...........I was being a smart@#$ yesterday. I should have not been.

If you need any help by phone I would be happy to wrap with ya
Pogue said:
Sorry I didn't give it it's "fancy" name. I was taught it's a crank pulley. The fact that it is a balanced rotating mass gives it the inherent quality of absorbing minor vibrations. Harmonic Balancer sounds like Master of the Custodial Arts, still just a janitor... my fault.

I was out at the junkyard looking for interior pieces and came across this dished plate with an offcenter hole in it fit between the timing chain and the cam on an87 or 88. Don't have a clue what it's supposed to do.

On to important things, bearing #1 is spun, all the others look good, but obviously I am doing them all. The problem is I have old style rods. Offset tang on both sides and oil holes on both. I just want to make sure there isn't anything special I need to do. I can just put in a set of the old ones and be good, right? I did a search but didn't find a lot. My concern is brought up since it was touched on earlier the heads aren't interchangeable, are these? Or is this what killed this bearing?

Thanks from the stupid guy in the back of the class.
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no offense, I know I'm out of my area. I just need to know if I can run what I have with a new set of old style bearings or if it will die in 500 miles. Do I need to replace the rods/pistons/rings/all of it or just go as is? It runs pretty well as is...
 
No...........everybody has to learn.

If you have a knock and you are already in there its redunant not to change rods and mains.

You can pull the pistons and check it all out . When it comes to the pistons its a judement call in my opinion however you should change the rings ,wristpins etc.

If your crank is in good shape and will not know till you pull the bearings. I like to pull one bearing at a time ,inspect then put the new bearing in before moving on to the next.

The kits for the bearings and rings are pretty cheap
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no offense, I know I'm out of my area. I just need to know if I can run what I have with a new set of old style bearings or if it will die in 500 miles. Do I need to replace the rods/pistons/rings/all of it or just go as is? It runs pretty well as is...
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