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[Methusalem]

The only real end of the world will be when Jesus comes back to put an end to all the **** that's been thrown around. Don't let anybody fool you, btw, because ABSOLUTELY NOBODY can tell you when that moment comes. And be ready for it!
But for when the SHTF in the States(for the MUD-member who wrote that he still doesn't know precisely what that means: remove your radiator, start your engine, and throw some elephant dunk against your fan. Then you get it). So, for when the SHTF, or better, when it looks like the S is gonna HTF, jump in your diesel cruiser en flee to South America. No winters, enough oil resources and enough bananas and meat to outlive a nuclear winter in the States!

 

[mattafact]

Peanut butter works too.
Good source of protein, fat/carbs (which you'll burn off running, digging, etc.), long lasting and easy to pack. Either way, you'll need water.

Peanuts (and peanut butter) are high in protein but are lacking methionine and cysteine. Again, you'll need a grain to go with it to make a complete protein.

You're right on about the water however.

 

[Methusalem]

You're right on about the water however.

Oh yeah, I forgot! More water in this part of South America than you'll ever need. Or want.

 

[Off Duty]

Peanuts (and peanut butter) are high in protein but are lacking methionine and cysteine. Again, you'll need a grain to go with it to make a complete protein.

You're right on about the water however.

You're absolutely correct, but it'll get you by for a few weeks.

 

[mattafact]

You're absolutely correct, but it'll get you by for a few weeks.

This is true. The human body could survive for many months like that. We would be emaciated at the end but still alive.

 

[rusty_tlc]

This is true. The human body could survive for many months like that. We would be emaciated at the end but still alive.

I, for one, could stand to be little more emaciated.
There is something called "Rabbit Starvation" it happens when you live on a diet that is very low in fat ie rabbit. You can be eating pounds of protein and carbs a day but losing weight. I heard about it in a book about two guys who were stranded in the Yukon when their canoe capsize and they had to hike out. It is also mentioned in this book
Amazon.com: How to Stay Alive in the Woods (9780020280507): Angier: Books

which is an excellent read by the way.

 

[wRek]

I have an 85' 4runner with a basically brand new 22re on 33's. I have a rule about filling up when I hit half tank, so worst case I'm on a half tank of gas. An ar15, 2 high capacity handguns, and enough ammunition for all to last me quite a while. 2 containers of camping gear in my back shed(tent, grille, first aid, water purification, pots and pans, silverware, lights, batteries, etc.). 20 mins max and I could be in my 4runner with my family driving to our safe camping point 30 mins away on a friends property which is surrounded by a very steep hill on one side, and half cut down logging area on the other.

 

[warpdriv]

This is a cool site. When SHTF - The Modern Day Survival Forum

I'm planning on building a gen 1 4 runner with a pre 99 TDI. It should get good gas mileage and carry gear plus an off road trailer with water and such. That's if I need to leave my little homestead.

 

[77cruiser77]

I dont live like this first off. That is, thinking that the world will suddenly come to an end and I all I can depend on is my wits, vehicle and some hand gun I do not own as soon as I leave my burnt down house with zombies closing in from all directions.

However, I do get into nasty situations on my own where I do depend on my wits to get me out alive on a rather uncomfortingly regular basis with the activities I seem to enjoy.

Now it can be fun to step back and play the game of what if, and when I do I think that sadly the thing that will slow us down the most is our land cruisers. Simply because they rely on fossil fuel. Remember that fuel has to pumped and you cannot top up in the middle of no where. The way around this is two ways I can think of: one is convert to a steam engine so you can use water that may not be suitable for drinking or convert your engine to run off of trash. Do this and I think you MIGHT live a couple of years

 

[77cruiser77]

Now I know I cannot simply say "make you car run on trash" and leave it at that. I mind as well say simply turn salt water into gasoline and fill up your tank and drive away into the sun set. So, here is a link, it's pretty good stuff I might say so myself:

Convert your Honda Accord to run on trash

If the SHTF for real, there will always be a lot of trash wherever you go, that is one thing we can depend on

 

[Mark W]

I was talking with an friend the other day who was telling me that there is a feasible way to convert waste plastics into a fuel that can be run in diesel engines. At first blush it does not seem to be too far out there. Since most of these plastics have petroleum products in their manufacturing.

I have not looked into it at all though... maybe I should do a google search and see what sort mix of real and crackpot I might find.

Edit: just searched it... looks real and intriguing, even on small scale home production/use levels.


Mark...

 

[rusty_tlc]

I was talking with an friend the other day who was telling me that there is a feasible way to convert waste plastics into a fuel that can be run in diesel engines. At first blush it does not seem to be too far out there. Since most of these plastics have petroleum products in their manufacturing.

I have not looked into it at all though... maybe I should do a google search and see what sort mix of real and crackpot I might find.

Edit: just searched it... looks real and intriguing, even on small scale home production/use levels.


Mark...

It is indeed


Lots of restrictions on the types of plastic you can use though.

Also the type of plastic is important, you can use only plastics that have pure hydrocarbons in them and nothing else, such as polyethylene and polypropylene. PVC should not be used as it contains large amounts of chlorine that is very toxic and would corrode the metals in your reactor. Also PET bottles are no good as they contain additional oxygen and we need the process to be in non oxygen environment. So only use plastics that contain only carbon and hydrogen.

 

[Mark W]

True. But that is still a large source for the small scale home "refiner"... at least until/unless a lot of people get into the act. Or as a source of fuels (home or vehicle energy) in either a realistic upheaval/downturn situation or in some apocalyptic Mad Max daydream that many always seem to turn to in these type of discussions.

It looks more interesting as an inexpensive alternative fuel for those in or near large population centers where the supply of this type of waste plastic will be large and steady.


Mark...

 

[Vasir]

I would worry that the gasoline wouldn't age well in personal storage. Unless you filled your entire supply up every couple of months and ran through that entirely.

People generally worry too much about gasoline going bad. I have many many times used gas that has sat in fuel drums or cans for a couple of years and it burns as good as brand new stuff. Perhaps if I was pouring it into a 2011 corvette it would be different. But in a 1FZ or any older Cruiser engine, everything is happy.

I have used fuel in rigs that have sat for 10 years and they ran just fine on it.


Mark...

I second that. I Have a 97' Mercedes thats been in storage for 10ish years now. I have it started up every 6 months, drive it around for a day and put it back in the storage unit. i think the fuel tank has been refilled MAYBE 3 times. twice for sure, and only because the 1st time, the fuel tank was only 1/4 full... Though i was worried about fluids, so that gets changed every 2 years no matter what.

what is the shelf life on gasoline anyway? it has to be up there.... 7 years? 10?

 

[Devilmans Hand]

What ill end up doing when shtf.
Under the assumption of post disaster and anarchy is rampant.
Once my personal supplies such as stocked food and water run out and hunting, fishing, and gathering food are not available you'll have to start grouping up with other survivors to share resources or start stealing from better supplied groups.

Weapons and ammunition are heavily abundant in the united states. You don't need to stockpile weapons with 10k rounds for each weapon. Just think back to the old Klondike days when travelers had to deconstruct their firearms into other useful items. Ill have a suppressed. 22lr, ar15, compound bow, and scavenge /take what other weapons I see necessary from wherever. Someone else will always be better trained with better arms than you. Stay invisible and pose no perceived threat. Lots of folks talk about having their hardware, but are you prepared to use them? Under what cases?
Learn how to construct and use old world hand tools. They have little volume, weight, and do not require additional power/fuel sources in order to operate. Get a mountain bike. Why walk when you can roll faster with more gear.
stock up on medications, antibiotics, and antiseptics. You will get sick and hurt. Improper hygiene will kill you.
If this really were a SHTF situation, then a running and roaming vehicle will draw a lot of attention. You're going to be car-jacked. Think of only using the vehicle for initial escape from a heavily populated area. Get to the country or wherever youre heading and dig a trench or find a cave to hide your vehicle. I'll use a front wheel powered 4cyl car then steal your tricked out diesel truck if I want.


What you'll really need is a survival mindset. What will You be willing to do? Steal, kill, canibalize those weaker than yourself?
Gather your gear, form a trusted and trained group, know where your local and non-local resources are located, avoid the common areas, and get smart.

Devilmans hand

 

[Mark W]

Well... well.. oh yeah? I am gonna round up all my insane killer buddies and chop up some bikes and armor plate some trucks, wear all sorts of fashion statement armor zombie clothes and ride up and down the highway screaming and yelling, playing Death Metal on loudspekers (so we have a scary sound track of course) and killing bunnies and stealing your eyes!

And if we find that guy Max we are gonna get even this time!!!

Damn these kinda threads get silly. When they don't simply start silly that is.


Mark...

 

[Devilmans Hand]

That they do

Very few people need a modified truck. There are too many roads already.
You don't need a stockpile of weapons and food and a vehicle with 10, 000 gallon of fuel. You dont need a fridge in your vehicle. You cannot perfectly plan for every potential dissaster. The entire mindset is flawed.
in reality, if you're considering burning alternative fuels in your diesel because there is no fuel, then you're already fxxxed. That is the point I'm making. At that point your neighbor will rob you.
Welcome to the real world where so called survivalists dont know what they're talking about.
People are ugly when they're scared.

 

[Gumby]

The way around this is two ways I can think of: one is convert to a steam engine so you can use water that may not be suitable for drinking or convert your engine to run off of trash. Do this and I think you MIGHT live a couple of years

Steam engines do not use water for fuel. They burn fossil fuels to heat water externally and very inefficiently.

 

[prado t]

Steam engines do not use water for fuel. They burn fossil fuels to heat water externally and very inefficiently.

What? OF COURSE steam engines use water and burn fuel(coal, gas,bunker fuel, wood and furnace oil). Garbage works too!

 

[prado t]

For the last while I didnt know what this thread was about until I started reading it.

After watching "Diary of the Dead" on Space Channel last nite. I wouldn't hang around too many people if this type of scenario happened.

It would be tough to let the HJ61 stay in the garage. I would take the stuff I have in my Signature ie; The BJ 74
MBT Willys 1/4 trailer( with the APRILIA SCOOTER for a last resort get-away)


I know I would hit the PHARMACY and try to get all the GOOD painkillers and valium, You know to help the injured people I may come into

Or go into Sandpoint Idaho and join the Zombie killers. That is if I could get out of this city that would take about 5 bridges to maybe, "maybe" get on the road to freedom. It sure wont be the Trans Canada or I5 interstate.