If the fit hit the shan

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EUROTECH1986535 said:
i have been running a 6.2l diesel on old motor oil and trans fluid for a while now. wvo is to hard to get in my neck of the woods. if things went really bad to many folks know about wvo for it to be a viable fuel source for long. but there will be a lot of abandon cars with a lot of atf, ps fluid, engine oil etc. just filter and heat. :grinpimp:
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I have heard about this but only for short durations of time. You do have a good point about being able to scavenge fluids from old cars:cool:
 
I'd like some elaboration on what is needed to make a diesel run on scavenged fluids, it intrigues me.
 
you will not find much gas in the cars at junkyards, they are required to drain most fluids out of the cars with in a certain time of receiving it, but as you are scavenging parts before fit hit the shan, look for their storage tanks, and that is what you want to hit up for gasoline, or other fluids.
 
toy4xfun said:
you will not find much gas in the cars at junkyards, they are required to drain most fluids out of the cars with in a certain time of receiving it, but as you are scavenging parts before fit hit the shan, look for their storage tanks, and that is what you want to hit up for gasoline, or other fluids.
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I would worry that the gasoline wouldn't age well in personal storage. Unless you filled your entire supply up every couple of months and ran through that entirely.
 
the one i worked for way back, used it in the yard vehicles.

but i did see some pretty nasty gas go into that storage tank, we used like those painters funnels with the screens in them when pouring it in, and it went through a filter when pumping it out.
 
If you have a bugout destination all you need to worry about is something that will get you from home to there. At that point a dirt bike or quad would be a good option for your basic hunter gather activities.

In 99% of the possible scenarios you would probably be better off staying put. In which case a dirt bike is still a good option. Excellent maneuverability, good fuel mileage, simple easy to maintain design.

We were talking about this over the weekend. The feral horses around here would start looking tasty pretty dammed fast IMHO. They are so tame you can walk within a few hundred feet of them. Of course that would change fast too, once people started eating Mr. Ed Burgers.:grinpimp:
 
Combat Chuck said:
I would worry that the gasoline wouldn't age well in personal storage. Unless you filled your entire supply up every couple of months and ran through that entirely.
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Run it through a filter...:rolleyes:
 
Combat Chuck said:
I would worry that the gasoline wouldn't age well in personal storage. Unless you filled your entire supply up every couple of months and ran through that entirely.
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People generally worry too much about gasoline going bad. I have many many times used gas that has sat in fuel drums or cans for a couple of years and it burns as good as brand new stuff. Perhaps if I was pouring it into a 2011 corvette it would be different. But in a 1FZ or any older Cruiser engine, everything is happy.

I have used fuel in rigs that have sat for 10 years and they ran just fine on it.


Mark...
 
Gas sitting in a carburetor may gum it up with varnishes blocking the small passages. Sitting in a tank, the varnishes form on the insides of the tank. Once formed they usually stay put. If they do flake off, then a filter is all that is needed to remove them. Ethanol based alcohol gas will dissolve the varnishes, and then they will burn like normal in your engine.
 
rusty_tlc said:
If you have a bugout destination all you need to worry about is something that will get you from home to there. At that point a dirt bike or quad would be a good option for your basic hunter gather activities.

In 99% of the possible scenarios you would probably be better off staying put. In which case a dirt bike is still a good option. Excellent maneuverability, good fuel mileage, simple easy to maintain design.

We were talking about this over the weekend. The feral horses around here would start looking tasty pretty dammed fast IMHO. They are so tame you can walk within a few hundred feet of them. Of course that would change fast too, once people started eating Mr. Ed Burgers.:grinpimp:
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Yep aside from "Road Warriors of the Wastelands" post apocalyptic movies, other than perhaps an initial relocation if you are in an area that has some sort of disaster, your vehicle is a pretty small component of your preparedness.

If you live in large urban areas where basic support food stuffs have to be trucked in daily and you depend on large infrastructure like city water and sewage... and/or surrounded or in close proximity to large populations who are in that situation, then relocating may be a very very good idea.

In that case, you need to get moving before roads are clogged and gas stations are dry. But chances are you will not be making some epic trek covering thousands of miles and weeks of movement.

For those us us who don't live in those urban hells... sitting tight is usually gonna be your best bet in the even of a disaster, natural or otherwise.

Your two feet and a bicycle will serve you a lot better than a fleet of 4x4s and motorcycles


Does not make for exciting movies, but it makes a lot more sense in the real world.



Mark...
 
Mark W said:
Your two feet and a bicycle will serve you a lot better than a fleet of 4x4s and motorcycles
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:hillbilly: Rig up your bicycle so it can carry stuff, and get a set of no flat type tires. You don't have to put the no flats on until you need them, but it would be good to have them to allow the bike to keep going.
 
Mark W said:
Yep aside from "Road Warriors of the Wastelands" post apocalyptic movies, other than perhaps an initial relocation if you are in an area that has some sort of disaster, your vehicle is a pretty small component of your preparedness.

If you live in large urban areas where basic support food stuffs have to be trucked in daily and you depend on large infrastructure like city water and sewage... and/or surrounded or in close proximity to large populations who are in that situation, then relocating may be a very very good idea.

In that case, you need to get moving before roads are clogged and gas stations are dry. But chances are you will not be making some epic trek covering thousands of miles and weeks of movement.

For those us us who don't live in those urban hells... sitting tight is usually gonna be your best bet in the even of a disaster, natural or otherwise.

Your two feet and a bicycle will serve you a lot better than a fleet of 4x4s and motorcycles


Does not make for exciting movies, but it makes a lot more sense in the real world.



Mark...
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Don't mention the foot / bicycle thing to my wife, the disaster scenario is my excuse for getting a little dirt bike:flipoff2:
 
Maybe there isnt a lot of scenarios that would involve bugging out but Its funner to BS about then sitting in a basement singing around candlelight lol.
I just need one tank of gas to get me to a make shift camp, then I could survive for a hell of a long time given charlie dont find me.
 
jeremy56 said:
Maybe there isnt a lot of scenarios that would involve bugging out but Its funner to BS about then sitting in a basement singing around candlelight lol.
I just need one tank of gas to get me to a make shift camp, then I could survive for a hell of a long time given charlie dont find me.
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You need to spend a lot of time in the hills scouting out possible destinations, before the fact.

A lot of time.:grinpimp:


It pays to be prepared.
 
re: burning waste oil as fuel

e9999 said:
wow, old oil eh? what do you do to it exactly? and no worries about gunking things up?
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I run a small transmission shop. i put all my waste oil, atf, and gear oil into a 275 gal container. i then let it settle at least a week. i use a 12v fuel pump with a cheap plastic fuel filter on the suction end to pump fluid into a open top 50 gal drum i pump 15- 20 gal of the oil into the drum. i then blend it with diesel (to avoid the taxation of being a fuel manufactuer) to thin the mixture (if you heat it i am told you can run it straight) my rig loves 60/40 be careful atf burns MUCH hotter than diesel. i then use another 12v fuel pump to pump the now thinned mix through a (oil filter relocator) with magnets stuck to the outside of the oil filter (i preffer wix). once fluid comes from filter it goes into a 3 element 10"x2.5" home water filter (10 micron, 5 micron, 1 micron) so its plenty clean by the time it hits my tank. i spend a few hours one weekend a month. filtering and blending and i dont haVE TO HIT THE 7-11 but once a month. the guy who taught me how to do this uses a centerfuge to clean his oil (expensive but no filters to buy). his 99 powerstroke runs straight heated waste oil. you can not use 6.5l gm because it requires a optical sensor to be able to see through the fuel. i run a gm 6.2l mech inj non turbo. i live in sunny fla where 60 is blizzard weather so fuel goes straight in my un moded truck. (i will be upgrading my fuel line soon) no extra smoke the truck actually runs smoother and quieter on WO it also has more power and about a 30% increase in milage. (more potential energy) if i had a electronic inj diesel i would try adding browns gas to it to really boost efficiency.:grinpimp: i also add 1oz of seafoam fuel inj cleaner for every 5 gal of blend every other brew.
 
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Combat Chuck said:
I would worry that the gasoline wouldn't age well in personal storage. Unless you filled your entire supply up every couple of months and ran through that entirely.
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with all the ethanol in fuel here gas gets f'd in less than 3 mo.
were only suppsed to have 10%...... i tested 3 different customers fuels today they were all 16-18% ethanol. :hhmm:
 
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