GX460....? More 4Runner or More Land Cruiser? Or Both?

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  1. SnoViking

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    So how do most people see the GX460? More 5th gen 4Runner-esq? Or Land Cruiser-esq?

    (I'm back and forth. Maybe I'm biased... ... ... I see it like a "Land Cruiser-Lite"... ... ... )
     
  2. Taco2Cruiser

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    Well, just going off of the structure and not the design looks.

    It's a 5th gen 4Runner, not a land cruiser.

    The frame, axles, steering, lower body chassis and even location of computers are 4Runner.

    Yes the motor gets the very nice 4.6L, but the raw strength is 4Runner. Which isn't a bad thing, I think the 4Runner is an over engineered joy, but Is is still far from a cruiser underneath.
     
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    I daily drive an FJC, my wife drives a 200 series, and my mom has a 460 so I've got experience in all 3.
    Size wise, chassis... yes very 4runner, but the bells and whistles, interior touches, full time all wheel drive, v8... i think push it more to the land cruiser side of the equation.

    Honestly if I didnt need the seats, my wife would be driving a 460 and not a 200. Id say its a pretty good balance of both worlds, tough and capable yet some extra luxury and features.
     
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    Not trying to incite a war again (seems like folks can get pretty worked up about this). but IMO, GX seems more LC than 4R to me too.

    Lots of vehicles share platforms these days, yet much differentiation can be made. IMO, all the small luxury/quality improvements add up to make the GX a different vehicle than the 4R.
     
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    Wow, bringing up a year old thread, but fun either way. Also, I don’t think too many people will really get up in arms, I mean, it’s easy to compare vehicles all made by the same company. Not like we’re trying to compare a Tacoma to a Colorado.

    I guess I go off of substance more, not looks. I don’t mean that in a smart ass way, far from it. The overall “feel” sometimes means more than the guts underneath.

    But...

    The Lexus GX is firstly a Toyota Prado. The Prado is a cheaper, less tough, but still very well built compared to other SUV, Land Cruiser “lite.” It’s still though, not an American vehicle and as such, made for crapier road conditions (which is great). We get it as a Lexus, and a bunch of squishy luxury items that of course make it more Land Cruiser V8 like.

    The 4Runner is purely an American vehicle. More aggressive looks, but not as tough as the GX because Toyota knows that at the end of the day, we have pretty good roads... everywhere. The 4Runner is like Olive Garden, it’s pretry good, for the price. Which is why it doesn’t really have any competition, and why Toyota doesn’t worry about updating it much.

    So Toyota in the US has a pretty good line up of body-on-frame 4x4 SUVs. If you want a great vehicle, 4Runner, boom, and a ton of people make stuff for it. Want a 4Runner with more power, and a more sophisticated feel, GX. If you want over the top strength and power, a proper Land Cruiser.

    They are all great. But Toyota makes them all, and Toyota makes it pretty clear that the Land Cruiser is the pinnacle, the Prado is a watered down LC, and the 4Runner is the poor mans land cruiser. We just need to find out which works best for our budgets and our actual needs.

    I for one have been running Prado Toyota for over a decade and found that the frame wasn’t up to the level of off-roading I was putting it through. So I saw a real need to move to a frame that was much stronger. And that’s why I have a 200 now. Doesn’t make me better than a GX or 4Runner guy. It’s just the better tool for the “job” I needed the tool to do, for me.
     
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    old thread but I'll chime in. New to the GX and just got one last week after 6 years in an FJ. People that don't know LCs or Toyota well see it as a cushy ass soccer mom mobile. Which is fine. I describe it as a luxury interior 4Runner with a Tundra motor. I'm going to pretend it's a land cruiser, but really i live in DFW and this likely won't ever even see more than 2" of snow. I know it can handle all but serious rock crawling in stock form, but I actually think this was a nanny's car.
     
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    Shhhh, let's keep the GX a secret to ourselves for a while longer!
     
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    The Toyota Prado badging says LAND CRUISER PRADO. I think its more Land Cruiser than 4runner based on what the manufacturer calls it.
     
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    I'll be taking delivery of my 2013 GX 460 primium today:clap:, so I don't have a lot of first hand input on the 150 series first hand. My wife and I have had two 100 series LC's for over 18 years (with hundreds of thousands of miles each!) of which I built one up as an expo vehicle and have done camping, off-roading, minor boldering (I don't like abusing my vehicles), dunes, family road trips, etc. My daughter had a 4Runner, albeit a '89 1st gen and one of my closest friends purchased a brand new 2017 4Runner all factory'ed out for the trail (just shy of the TRD Pro). So I've seen that too, just not in depth. But I've done a lot of research before buying this GX and my conclusion is this:
    The 4Runner and GX 460 offer the BEST of both worlds!!!
    I'm in my late 50's and like my heated and ventilated seats, but living in So. Cal. I also like some spirited off-roading and expedition style trips too!
    My daughter and granddaughter can have their own hot and cold in the back seat, killer Mark Levinson sound system, all the off-road bells and whistles, which I may try but probably not need. I have enough years experience 4-wheeling that I should need that rookie stuff. What I may use may be that front and right rear view camera when wheeling and getting close to making contact on the front or right side! ;)
     
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    GX, Prado, and 4runner all share the same under pinnings. Interior and exterior may be different. But I would not say the Prado is better than the 4runner in any way. They do not get the V8 outside of North America for the GX so that is a moot point. Like others have said they are all Toyotas. I believe the 4runner and GX do not sport the Land Cruiser name in the USA because of marketing. The 4runner thanks to the chicken tax is a household name and that's why it sticks around. Bottom line all built in the same factory all share parts I would say they all fall under the Land Cruiser lite catagory.
     
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    As it was discussed in the other thread. GX and 4runner are very close siblings with identical frame and most running gear, built in the same factory with most of the same parts. 4Runner has more offroad features - like fox bypass shocks and locking rear diff, less weight, more power potential (2 supercharger options). GX has nicer interior, more electronic features, v8 engine, and is a lot heavier (as a result of all the weight of those features). Both share most things other than body and interior parts - 95% of the same interior parts internally like fan blower motors, dash internals, etc. Long term durability - 4runner probably wins; it's almost 1000lbs lighter weight with the same running gear and a less powerful engine. Everything should be less stressed over time.

    Interior - the 4Runner is closer to the LC70, the GX is closer to the LC200. They both basically share interiors with the Prado. 4Runner being closer to GX. Prado closer to Kakado models.

    I think the primary reason they don't drop the 4runner name and sell a Prado instead is that the USA market sells about the same number of 4runners as the entire Land Cruiser group of vehicles world wide.

    What makes it a "land cruiser" is a bit subjective even at Toyota. Arguably the LC200 is not really a Land Cruiser in the sense of being a successor to the early ones. The LC70 is the only current model that's really a true successor. It doesn't say "land cruiser" on the outside anywhere on either 4R or GX. Toyota doesn't count the Prado as a proper "land cruiser" either. For example when they list global Land Cruiser sales in they say that "figures do not include Prado wagons that also bear the LandCruiser name". Take that for what it's worth. Maybe none of them are Land Cruisers? Maybe all of them are? To me the Land Cruiser models typically designate what's essentially 3/4 ton version of a BOF SUV. Neither meet that category, nor does the Prado.

    I don't think either one is more "land cruiser" than the other since they're different iterations of the same thing.
     
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    Looks like it's closer to 4-500lbs difference depending on year/model.

    Seems like the weights vary a bit by year. For 2018 the 4Runner is 4675 for an SR5 and 4750 for TRD Off Road. Not sure where that extra weight comes from. They're identical but for the rear locker, half inch wider wheels, small gas tank skid difference and the electronics. And no third row option in the TRD OR.

    GX listed at 5340 in 2010. Not sure what's changed since then. Currently the 2018 is 5130 still. Did they remove something since the '10 model?

    Both are too heavy.

    Oddly they also spec the GX at only 8.1" ground clearance where the 4Runner is 9.6. Is that due to the bumpers?
     
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    FWIW......

    Most of our friends in Australia see the Prado platform (FJC, 5G 4Runner, GX 460) as a light Land Cruiser equivalent. Good enough for me until the VDJ79 gets here (humor).

    I cancelled a new 2018 LC 200 order to buy a used GX 460 (CPO 2013) when I realized I did not want an 8 speed auto or seating for 6. Saved many $$$ in the process.

    Eight months on, no regrets. "Drives like a car, works like a truck" for you old fellas out there. :cheers:

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    I wonder if the weight ratings for the '10 & '11 brochure are wrong? All are the same from '12+ at the reduced amount. 400 or 500 lbs but also 31 more horsepower and 51 ft/lbs of torque. Doesn't seem to be much of a mileage penalty on the freeway either. I can get just shy of 21 MPG in the 60-70 MPH range.

    I realize one can go with forced induction but I am just talking stock.
     
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    It may be a change from curb weight to empty weight. They list both in foreign model info for most toyota products. For example a Prado 150 Kakado is 5147 empty (tare weight) and 5412 curb weigh. I suspect that's where the 5,405lb curb weight for the GX460 comes from that's commonly used although it differs from the empty weight in he Lexus publications - that say 5130 curb weight. Is a GX460 almost 300lb lighter than a Prado 150? Why would that be?

    Seems like one of those things that would require a scale to actually find out. The info is inconsistent. The only consistency is that both the 4runner AND GX are overweight. When a 4runner is within 100lbs of a crew cab Chevy 4x4 truck, it might be worth Toyota thinking about some weight loss.

    The EPA rating is only 14/18/16 highway, so if you're getting 21 consistently you're doing really well.
     
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    Well, Ford's been trying by putting their F150 trucks on a diet using aluminum: 4,529 to 5,265 lbs for the F150 Super crew cab. Maybe a little aluminum might help the 150's?
     
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