Groaning and moaning in steering wheel while turning, low speed??

[dubaicruiser]

Right, and as a reminder nobody knows what exactly we're lubing in there, why it's working, or what the result would be with anything other than a spray lubricant.

200 Series steering wheel start up whine.

On start up the steering makes this horrible whine. Doesn't make sound when turning, Motor seems to work fine, doesn't make sound while telescoping, just the up and down movements. Before I start digging in I wanted to reach out to the interwebs to see if anyone else has dealt with this.

forum.ih8mud.com

 

[pvchaitanya]

Right, and as a reminder nobody knows what exactly we're lubing in there, why it's working, or what the result would be with anything other than a spray lubricant.

I saw some good videos on YouTube for different vehicles where the recommendation is to use dielectric grease as it has lot of silicone. I am seeing from your post you are shooting in the blind by putting the spray tube inside rubber boot. If we can find instructions on how to remove or create safe space to push this thick lube there the rod goes into the rubber thing, it will be a permanent fix.
Same thing is mentioned in YouTube comments that a silicone spray or similar has less silicone that issue comes back unless this thick silicone paste is pushed to the joint.
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[Bigcitydoc]

My 2015 LC with 111k started doing it this winter. Thanks to this thread I will probably just leave it since it doesn’t seem to be a big deal. Adds character!

 

[pvchaitanya]

As others updated on this thread, I moved the rubber boot using following methods:
1. I sprayed tire shine/protectant so the rubber boot wont crack or snap.
2. Lifted it up with the small rubber tab to the bottom and used plastic tools (to prevent damage) to lift up the boot (the plastic tools are from ipad screen repair kits I have handy)
3. I sprayed silicone spray (turned steering both sides)
4. I then sprayed with lithium grease spray (turned steering both sides)
5. and then sprayed with garage lubricant spray (turned steering both sides)

Will report if sound comes back, definitely steering is very light and smooth after this.

 

[Ratchey]

As others updated on this thread, I moved the rubber boot using following methods:
1. I sprayed tire shine/protectant so the rubber boot wont crack or snap.
2. Lifted it up with the small rubber tab to the bottom and used plastic tools (to prevent damage) to lift up the boot (the plastic tools are from ipad screen repair kits I have handy)
3. I sprayed silicone spray (turned steering both sides)
4. I then sprayed with lithium grease spray (turned steering both sides)
5. and then sprayed with garage lubricant spray (turned steering both sides)

Will report if sound comes back, definitely steering is very light and smooth after this.

I used silicone spray he first time and it lasted about 8 months.
I did the garage door spray a few months ago and it lasted about 6 weeks.
Going to try the dielectric grease today and see how that goes.

 

[pvchaitanya]

if you were successful, tell me how you were able to get the dielectric grease into that tight narrow space. If you used a spray or just squirted the grease into the gap.

 

[CharlieS]

What about this, used in places where metal meets rubber in other places on the vehicle:

It is around $10 a tube, and my dealer stocks it.

It is specced for caliper rebuilding, amongst other things.

 

[Ratchey]

if you were successful, tell me how you were able to get the dielectric grease into that tight narrow space. If you used a spray or just squirted the grease into the gap.

I used a tip from a tube of RTV and attached it to the dielectric tube. I pulled on the rubber tab, and using a couple of panel tools pried the boot about half way off, put the tip in as far as I could and injected a bunch of grease towards the firewall moving it around as I did. Squeaked once as I pulled out of the garage then went dead silent. Only been a week so will see how it goes.

 

[aM200]

So I've been having this noise since I purchased my 200 a couple years ago and it's been driving me mad. I got motivated and I think I have a solution. We'll see if this works long term but for now I'll at least explain what I did to mine.

To start, I only ever hear this noise for the first few turns after starting the car thats been sitting for a day. It is louder and lasts longer the colder the car is before startup (so in cold weather it might last for more than a few turns).

I pulled back that outer boot on the JTEKT branded part and stuck my endoscope camera down to take a look. Inside and below is a second rubber boot that is pointed upwards, meaning the part that contacts the steering shaft is raised above the housing portion. With something like chopsticks it's possible to pull that inner boot down. The tricky part here is that you need to get lubrication onto the steering shaft itself, and not the boot. What I was able to do is, while the inner boot was pulled down, I fit a toothbrush with silicone grease down into the area and then brushed the steering shaft itself. When I cold-started the car afterwards there was no trace of steering noise like before.

Admittedly, this is pretty difficult to do without a camera to show what you're doing. But this also explains why spraying lubricant in hasn't been a long term solution. With the spray it's just not likely to actually contact the steering shaft itself so there not a lot of lubricant in play.

Hopefully this helps someone. If this turns out to be a long term solution I'll take some pics of what I did so that hopefully it helps out more.

 

[hurricane11]

So I've been having this noise since I purchased my 200 a couple years ago and it's been driving me mad. I got motivated and I think I have a solution. We'll see if this works long term but for now I'll at least explain what I did to mine.

To start, I only ever hear this noise for the first few turns after starting the car thats been sitting for a day. It is louder and lasts longer the colder the car is before startup (so in cold weather it might last for more than a few turns).

I pulled back that outer boot on the JTEKT branded part and stuck my endoscope camera down to take a look. Inside and below is a second rubber boot that is pointed upwards, meaning the part that contacts the steering shaft is raised above the housing portion. With something like chopsticks it's possible to pull that inner boot down. The tricky part here is that you need to get lubrication onto the steering shaft itself, and not the boot. What I was able to do is, while the inner boot was pulled down, I fit a toothbrush with silicone grease down into the area and then brushed the steering shaft itself. When I cold-started the car afterwards there was no trace of steering noise like before.

Admittedly, this is pretty difficult to do without a camera to show what you're doing. But this also explains why spraying lubricant in hasn't been a long term solution. With the spray it's just not likely to actually contact the steering shaft itself so there not a lot of lubricant in play.

Hopefully this helps someone. If this turns out to be a long term solution I'll take some pics of what I did so that hopefully it helps out more.

Did you go into the top of the JTEKT boot or the bottom where the little tab is? I can't see what you are describing.

 

[aM200]

Did you go into the top of the JTEKT boot or the bottom where the little tab is? I can't see what you are describing.

From the bottom where the pull tab is. You can pull that tab upwards to get that outer boot out of the way mostly.