Going from a 2022 Navigator loaded out (tech and comfort factory options) to a little older 2019 LX570?

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r/Lexus - Going from a 2022 Navigator loaded out (tech and comfort factory options) to a little older 2019 LX570???

Going from a 2022 Navigator loaded out (tech and comfort factory options) to a little older 2019 LX570. Not opposed to just keeping the navigator but im having issues trusting it past 100k miles. Im mainly after simplicity, less electronics (2019 LX570 can have the DCM permanently disabled without any issues so it will be "offline" fully and not send out any data telemetry), a N/A non turbo non hybrid non CVT Body on frame full size SUV. My wife and I often tow our 6500lb off grid camper and boondock quite a bit. We dont have kids however we do tend to chauffer my mother around quite a bit with our 2x 20lb dogs.

Have any of you folks made such a move? going from a 2019-2024 Generation Navigator 4WD decked out to a 2019 LX570 how bad is the lack of tech/comfort going to hit us? we are quite spoiled with the "Blue Cruise" on the freeway, massaging seats, etc. but its almost at 100k (so far care free) miles and these arent known for reliability. this was our first "luxury" vehicle we have owned and really love it but the cost of repairs after our 100k warranty expires could be astronomical. god for bid the ecoboost engine fails or the transmission. also their are so many electronics that i know stuff is going to start going out. i really want to get into something roughly the same size with the reliability i know the LX will offer. What is everyones thoughts? id be looking at 2019's around the 100k miles mark which is roughly the same miles im at with our Navi

not too worried about gas mileage especially with the tradeoff of NA v8 simplicity for longevity. I'd still be able to add android auto and carplay module so at least there is that. Im really after the largest, newest, fairly luxurious vehicle i can find where i can disable the onboard 3g/4g (DCM) data communications system and essentially get it "off grid". this is one of my highest priorities. I would probably install an aftermarket compustar alarm system to give me 2 way pager and remote start capabilities (no drone feature). Definitely like having the simplicity of a NA v8 (like i had in my 2016 tundra that was ultra reliable with massive miles put on it)

Issues we've already had with our almost 100k mileage navigator It's rare that we actually get a solid with it where everything electronically on the inside functions for 100% without a bug or something not working. Usually we always have something go wrong on the inside whether it's the infotainment system screen being black for the entire drive, the 360 cameras not working, the fold-out mirrors not operating (I've disable them completely now they always stay out). The phone not connecting to the Android auto or Apple carplay whether it's wireless or wired usually there's always a glitch. At least one out of every three drives I feel a shutter or clunk in the transmission. Have had it to the dealership multiple times and they cant replicate it. There's a 50% chance the blue Cruise will work. Usually we can't get it to stay in hands-free because it can't sense my eyeballs looking at the road it happens to my wife as well (paying $50 a month for this) also the blue Cruise in this generation is pretty bad, no updates and at this point it's almost not worth having. I've had 2x air pumps go out in the massaging seats. Luckily we haven't had any major mechanical issues but I'm not sure how much longer we can gamble that. I still owe 60k and it's worth maybe 35k now. I'm planning on triple payments to pay it down asap and get out from underneath it.
 
Your highest priority is ‘getting off the grid’? Can I recommend a 100?
It's just too old for me I know I can disable the DCM and pretty much make the last generation LX 570 essentially off grid. The newer the better for me while still being able to get it off grid. Preferably no electronic steering components etc. I do like the ability of adding a car play or Android auto module for the screen basically bringing it on grid at my will if that makes sense.
 
There are several people who came out of expeditions and Tahoe’s. You’ll miss the space, tech, and fuel tank size. The piece of mind you will gain from not dealing with cam phasers, turbos, oil lines, bcm, etc is worth its weight in gold IMO.
 
I would get Land Cruiser over LX if you want trouble free miles ahead. If you are NOT handy (aka do your own maintenance), then you need to avoid LX. If you're really handy, have patience of a saint, and like eBay a lot, then get LX.
 
The only thing you’ll miss from your sh*t”igator is the feeling you get when stabbing the skinny pedal.

We had a 4th gen Navigator, I mean sh*t”igator, and it was issue after issue, I’ve told this story before so I won’t bore the crew here. All I can say is you were braver than I to carry it deeper than 50k miles. We added our Cruiser to the family alongside the sh*t”igator and the Cruiser is better in every way that counts when it comes to well built, reliability, and our camping/outdoor activities. We’ve since added an LX to the mix as well so the 200 series koolaide is very delicious and addictive so you’ve been warned.
 
Do you want to buy one of the last reliably built full size rigs? That’s the LC 200 or LX 570. The 2nd gen sequoias are also up there, but don’t have that special touch which the 200 series has. The sequoia does provide just a tad bit more interior room though if that’s important to you.

I can’t recommend anything Toyota is producing today either. They’re soulless utility breadboxes, or have engines that tend to seize up at random.
 
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The only thing you’ll miss from your sh*t”igator is the feeling you get when stabbing the skinny pedal.

We had a 4th gen Navigator, I mean sh*t”igator, and it was issue after issue, I’ve told this story before so I won’t bore the crew here. All I can say is you were braver than I to carry it deeper than 50k miles. We added our Cruiser to the family alongside the sh*t”igator and the Cruiser is better in every way that counts when it comes to well built, reliability, and our camping/outdoor activities. We’ve since added an LX to the mix as well so the 200 series koolaide is very delicious and addictive so you’ve been warned.
Surprisingly it hasn't had any major issues. I bought the extended OEM warranty on it. If we decide to keep it I'd add the extra warranty which takes it it 125k miles and costs like 3 grand lol. Then I'm in the same boat once we hit 125k soon.

Do you want to buy one of the last reliably built full size rigs? That’s the LC 200 or LX 570. The 2nd gen sequoias are also up there, but don’t have that special touch which the 200 series has. The sequoia does provide just a tad bit more interior room though if that’s important to you.

I can’t recommend anything Toyota is producing today either. They’re soulless utility breadboxes, or have engines that tend to seize up at random.
Ya it would be the LX. You seem to get newer rig for cheaper $$$ since it's not as well regarded by normies. I'm fine with the non kdss suspension as well. We don't want more tech I want less tech and plan on doing a DCM delete on it in the future.
 
Surprisingly it hasn't had any major issues. I bought the extended OEM warranty on it. If we decide to keep it I'd add the extra warranty which takes it it 125k miles and costs like 3 grand lol. Then I'm in the same boat once we hit 125k soon.


Ya it would be the LX. You seem to get newer rig for cheaper $$$ since it's not as well regarded by normies. I'm fine with the non kdss suspension as well. We don't want more tech I want less tech and plan on doing a DCM delete on it in the future.
The LX is a good choice, you just need to make sure you find a non-rusty one. AHC is a fantastic yet complicated suspension system, but generally doesn’t have issues as long as rust is not involved.

The one thing you can count on these rigs, everything just works. Complete worry free vehicles until you get into the 200-250k+ mileage range.
 
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LC has KDSS and plenty of threads with rusty KDSS issues so not sure why AHC is always singled out. Since you are coming from a Navigator I am guessing you are not interested in modifying for off road (lifts, bumpers, etc) so the LX is the obvious choice. As long as truck has a good service history and the AHC fluid has been flushed/bled you should be ok. If a dealer/shop tells you it is "lifetime" fluid run. Owners manual shows a 60K service interval.

Good luck, I think you will like it. If you want to update the infotaintment look at a Grom v line of Hamilton Motor Corp for Apple Car Play/Android Auto. Easy to install, keep all the stock hardware and easy access to the stock operating system.
 
LC for the newest gen for the money (let's say a 2019-2021) values are significantly higher than a Lexus so for that reason I'll be going direct to an LX570. I'm thinking 2019 I can score 70k-90k miles for 50-55k. I think a similar LC would be 65k+
 
LC for the newest gen for the money (let's say a 2019-2021) values are significantly higher than a Lexus so for that reason I'll be going direct to an LX570. I'm thinking 2019 I can score 70k-90k miles for 50-55k. I think a similar LC would be 65k+
And I would imagine that LC premium difference will diminish over time with Toyota releasing the watered down 250 and putting the Land Cruiser name on it (if you were to ever liquidate it)

LX is a better value play since the large depreciation hit has already occurred, and non-abused and well taken care of ones are easier to track down. :)
 
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And I would imagine that LC premium difference will diminish over time with Toyota releasing the watered down 250 and putting the Land Cruiser name on it (if you were to ever liquidate it)

LX is a better value play since the large depreciation hit has already occurred, and non-abused and well taken care of ones are easier to track down. :)
yessir, i know all about taking a depreciation hit, these navigators might be at the front of the pack. it works to my advantage however when trying to score a deal on something reliable.
 
LC for the newest gen for the money (let's say a 2019-2021) values are significantly higher than a Lexus so for that reason I'll be going direct to an LX570. I'm thinking 2019 I can score 70k-90k miles for 50-55k. I think a similar LC would be 65k+

On the money with your LX price range; here's here's a Black/Black 2019 LC with 60k for sale at $75.3k vs a Black/Beige 2020 LX with 46k for sale at $67.3k. Yes, the LX has a "minor" reported on the CarFax; but the car is being sold by an affiliated dealer, has a vehicle history that's pretty well detailed & has been registered in CA its whole life (so no rust concerns)
 
Get any flavor of a 200 vs your Navi. Get out of that $hitbox eCObOoSt now before you hear the phasers start to not compensate for the timing chain stretch, etc.
 
So help me understand the point of the DCM delete. You have a cellphone, right? Smart watch? Modern camera? Laptop? Ipad? Or did you get rid of those too?
Agreed. Most 200s have deprecated 3g modems anyway so it’s almost moot. ‘19-21 trucks came with 4g.
 
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