Build FZJ80 6.5TD diesel swap build thread

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I have seen pictures a 6.5 TD in an 80 (not personally though) and was told that there is interference with the shock tower. Seems like there was another poster that modified the manifold to clear it though?
I know with the 6.2 in my 80 there were several different manifolds available depending upon which vehicle the engine was in. My first set of manifolds wouldn't fit on one side so I went to the salvage yard and found another one with a slightly different bend in it, fit perfectly, I wonder if they made different manifolds for the 6.5 TD as well?
Rusty
 
Torfab, I didn't touch my power steering box. As far as the engine I basically mounted in a way that everything fit, it ended up up being pretty much centered as I recall.
As far as manifolds, I know the Vans had different ones and some of the later model 6.2's were different, those are the ones I used.
Rusty
 
manifold clearance

regarding exhaust manifold clearance, this engine is equipped with the aftermarket ATS turbo setup that was a popular mod for the NA 6.2 motors. It clears the frame rails and shock tower just fine. The outlets are very tight to the frame, my exhaust guy was cursing my lineage - but he worked it out.
 
Part IV: Floor Pan

Because AA doesn't make an adapter for the NV4500 to FJ80 xfer case, I chose to go with a part time FJ60 xfer case. This case is somewhat larger than the 80 case, and barely clears the RH frame rail. Interference with the passenger floor pan required a fairly substantial sheet metal mod.

I ended up buying a tunnel and passenger floor pan section from CruiserParts, and welding it over the opening - effectively making the tunnel about 4" wider to the passenger side. Carpet covers fairly well, and though smaller than factory, the passenger footwell is still better than that of an H1 Hummer
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Part V: Electrical

This will definitely be a multi-post section, but overall the electrical was fairly straightforward.

Using a mechanical injection 6.5 meant that there are very few connections required for the motor.

1. "Ignition" power to the lift pump, injection pump solenoid, and glow plug controller
2. "Start" power to the starter and solenoid (seems obvious)
3. GM one-wire alternator output to the Toyota alternator leads

The key to the Fj80 wiring is in connectors IH1 and IH2. These are the connectors behind the glove box that attach to the factory engine/transmission wiring harness. Almost EVERY wire you need can be found in these connectors. I scavenged the harness from the old engine, and sorted out the leads that I needed - rarely even had to add wire because the harness is fairly long.

I will try to post a complete conversion wiring diagram - but it's currently a collection of post-it notes on the workbench.
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I am watching you build closely as i am in the middle of doing a 83 fj 60 that is already set up for chevy auto and about to get 6.5 turbo diesel.
 
Part 5: Fuel Delivery

Fuel was one of the simplest parts of this project. I pulled the tank and removed the factory Toyota pump - replacing it with a piece of formed steel tubing to create a pickup at the bottom of the tank.

Then I cut the fuel delivery line on the drivers side frame rail and spliced in a factory Chevy diesel external fuel pump. The flared lines fit the pump perfectly, and it is attached to the frame rail with a couple clamps.

I replaced the EFI fuel filter with a foreign spec Toyota diesel filter that conveniently came with my donor engine, but there are many other aftermarket filters that you could use.

Finally, I ran the diesel engine fuel return to the efi fuel return hose.

Oh, and I modified the filler neck to fit the larger diesel pump nozzles...

Future plans include an auxilliary tank, with two compartments to allow for a biodiesel system.

(attached picture shows the filter)
 
Build update - engine temp issues

The project is on the road, currently on the third tank of fuel.

Two problems have showed. First, the NV4500 is noisy, as in NOISY - at idle with the clutch out, it sounds like a bucket of bolts dragging behind a tractor. Only does it in neutral, actually sounds pretty good when in gear and running down the road. I suspect it may not be shimmed properly, but any suggestions are most appreciated...

Second, the engine runs hot when under load. The truck is fitted with a brand new factory FZJ80 radiator, new fan clutch, new thermostat, new thermostat and a very high dollar custom fan shroud but a local sheet metal fabricator. Running easy on flat ground it will stay around 190, but start climbing a hill, or run the speed up and it quickly jumps to 230 or so. I'm stumped, but currently planning to check the pump timing on the engine as one remaining option. Again, suggestions are most appreciated.
 
Are you running an intercooler?
Maybe run a bigger radiator for the V8, or try water/methanol injection?
 
Second, the engine runs hot when under load. The truck is fitted with a brand new factory FZJ80 radiator, new fan clutch, new thermostat, new thermostat and a very high dollar custom fan shroud but a local sheet metal fabricator. Running easy on flat ground it will stay around 190, but start climbing a hill, or run the speed up and it quickly jumps to 230 or so. .

are you running a pyro gauge . ? ( Pyrometer ) if not .. buy and install one .. chances are you are running in excess of fuel .. ( diesel ) did you notice black smoke when you pushing in those hills ?
 
Second, the engine runs hot when under load. The truck is fitted with a brand new factory FZJ80 radiator, new fan clutch, new thermostat, new thermostat and a very high dollar custom fan shroud but a local sheet metal fabricator. Running easy on flat ground it will stay around 190, but start climbing a hill, or run the speed up and it quickly jumps to 230 or so. I'm stumped, but currently planning to check the pump timing on the engine as one remaining option. Again, suggestions are most appreciated.

I'm a bit new to the 6.5s and have learned a lot from The Truck Stop website (thetruckstop(dot)us). One of the main problems for the 6.5 is cooling, as you already know. Your 230* temps is a SERIOUS problem, should never go over 210*. According to the info I have gleaned, repeatedly letting temps go over 210 will eventually crack the block main webs around the crank cap bolt holes. There are fixes though for this cooling issue. I will try to describe what I have learned, some is my experience and some is others experience.

I have a 94 K2500 Chev pickup with the 6.5TD. A friend at church slid on ice last winter and kissed a tree with it and then helped me get it from his insurance real cheap. I've done a lot of reading and wrenching on it in the past few months and love it.

To start with, do some research on radiators. I don't know what is available for your vehicle, but get the biggest aluminum rad you can stuff in there. According to Bill Heath of Heaths Diesel of Ellensburg, WA the 6.5 prefers aluminum rads as they dissipate heat faster. The rad (aluminum) in my p.u. was damaged in the accident and I found a used brass rad, mistake #1.

The single thermostat coolant crossover was broken also and I found a used newer dual thermo crossover, mistake #2. Mid 96 is when GM went to the dual thermo. Since you have a 96 motor you could have either a single or dual thermo.

The fan blade was damaged also and was replaced with a plastic 9 blade fan from an 01 DMax, good move.

To make the DMax fan fit my water pump I got a new Hayden heavy duty fan clutch from a 97 6.5, double mistake. My first towing trip I got up to about 220* and was down to about 20 MPH up some very short, mild grades and the fan NEVER came on. The second half of that mistake was in not replacing the stock 94 pump for a newer high output pump.



Here is what I found out I should have done.

The rad should have been an aluminum rad instead of the brass rad. Replacing it is still on my to do list.

The coolant crossover would have been best if I had found a single thermo crossover. There are work around fixes for this which is what I have done. Apparently the AC Delco thermostats (from the stealer) are the best ones for coolant flow, from what I have read. This is also on my future to do list.

The DMax fan blade was a good move, but it will not bolt up to the 94 fan clutch which is why I went with the 97 fan clutch. The Hayden HD fan clutch I returned as defective. The stock 94 WP is about 80 GPM flow capacity and the 97 and newer high outputs are about 130 GPM flow capacity. Of the HO pumps the 2000 is the best for balanced flow through the block.

Sooo, here's what I did.

I got a heavy duty, low temp turn on, fan clutch fron Heath Diesel. (I highly reccommend it) I also got a coolant bypass restricter for the dual thermo crossover from Heath. ----heathdiesel(dot)com---- And got the HO balanced flow WP for the 2000 6.5 from a local auto parts store. I don't remember the part number, but I can look it up if you need it.

These mods made a big difference. I recently towed a travel trailer to go hunting. Coming home the last leg took me over Willamette Pass here in Oregon. From Suttle Lake to the top is about 5 miles and about 1500 to 1800 ft elevation rise. I wish I had taken careful note of the exact distance and elevation. Anyhow, it was a good test. The temps went up to 210 and never went over. And I was not light on the throttle either. I stayed as close to the max speed that I could for the corners and traffic.



Some other things to look closely at-----.

Where does your intake air come from? (I need to go back through your whole thread and refresh my memory to see what you have done) If it is from around the motor it is pre-heated before going through the turbo--not good due to higher intake air temps. A cold air intake will help your IAT and EGT. Somebody proir to me or my friend modified my P.U. to have a true cold air intake and I have never seen EGTs over 1150 (EGT guage but no IAT guage). There are other things that will influence EGTs though.

Are you running the stock GM turbo (don't remember)? They supposedly create a lot of backpressure. Making sure you have a free flowing exhaust will help here. Sustained higher EGTs (hills and towing), not just extreme EGT, will transfer heat into the cooling system. I went to a 3" turbo-down pipe that transitions to 4" behind the motor. I don't have any measured statistics, but my butt dyno said it made a difference.

The next mod I have not done yet, but it is on my want to list as it is more expensive. I want to change my stock GM turbo for the A Team Turbo (ATT). It is supposed to give better higher RPM and towing performance and lower EGTs in the process.


Over all, look at your cooling system as any mods there give you more bang for the buck.

Questions? I'll do what I can to help, though I am still learning about the 6.5.

Don
 
UPDATE: Cooling Problem Solved!!

After months of diagnosis, testing, replacing parts, and general head scratching, I have solved the cooling problem on my 6.5TD FZJ project.

To review, the truck was good at idle and under light load, but would run temps of 210, 220, 230 under load, both at high speed and low speed. It is fitted with an excellent custom fan shroud and has a new aluminum radiator. Attempted fixes included a brand new Toyota radiator, new fan clutch, insulating the air cleaner, messing with the coolant mix, replacing the thermostat, adding an auxilliary electric fan, and finally busting a goat in the nose and dragging it around the truck 3 times under a full moon.

No joy, the damn thing still heats up quickly under load.

This doesn't make sense. A diesel engine pushing the truck down the highway at 65mph shouldn't make appreciably more heat than the original gas motor. Even less given that it is getting twice the fuel mileage and thus burning half the fuel...

Symptoms that seemed unrelated but actually were directly related:

1. Lack of power at higher RPM's and/or higher speeds.
2. Turbo boost won't go above 3psi. Get's there and then drops sharply
3. Fuel pressure measured before IP is <7psi with engine off, and 0 when running.
3. Finally, truck stalls on moderate hill climbs. Will restart, run a couple hundred feet, and stall again.

The answer: A pinched fuel delivery line at the tank!

In the process of rerouting lines and cutting/flaring to install the inline pump, I had bent and crimped the flexible, plastic line that exits the tank. This cause insufficient supply flow and pressure to the IP, and resulted in a lean burn condition that limited power and caused overheating. With the crimped line fixed, I am now getting 7-10PSI boost, <200 degree water temps, and <800 degree EGT under full load.

Cool. no, seriously, COOL!
 
The leaner a diesel runs, the colder it runs.
Unless it's the pump running way out on timing due the the fuel block, I don't think you've yet found the problem.
 
The leaner a diesel runs, the colder it runs.
Unless it's the pump running way out on timing due the the fuel block, I don't think you've yet found the problem.

It doesn't make much sense, because heat usually comes from overboosting and getting high EGT's. As Dougal said, running lean usually makes it run cooler (unlike gas engines which may have issues when lean).

The answer's right there:
The goat! It just took a while for the sacrifice to take effect.

Seriously, I don't know what would cause the overheat; as mentioned, the gutless was definitly the fuel line issue, but the heat? I'd be checking the coolant for rust, maybe looking at the stat.

Edit: you already checked those.
 
The lean burn condition causes the overheat. Engine runs lean, runs hot. Engine runs rich, runs cool. I am surprised that the effect was so pronounced, but fixing the fuel restriction fixed the engine temps. I changed nothing else at that time.
 
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