FJ40 Turn Signal issue

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My turn signals on my 69 FJ40 don’t work quite right. I can either get the right one of left one to work right but then the other one either won’t come on or blinks fast. If I hold the fast blinker side down manually then it blinks properly. I’ve been playing with the adjustment turning the base slightly but I can’t get both sides working. I even took the bottom switch apart and sprayed penetrating fluid in there but the dowel and springs are so tight it makes it hard for the turn signal rod to turn far enough to engage.

Does anyone know any tricks to get this working better again. I can’t even find replacement any more.

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On my 72 I often have to hold the pressure on lever (actually a short pair of vice grips clamped on the shaft) to get the blinker to work (left turn Clyde seems to work better - usually). If the moon is just right then right turn needs the pressure In your first pic, there is a screw that clamps the assembly tight - mine is loose - so I can pivot the entire assembly some so the blinker will work left or right.

Way back in the mid 80's the self canceling mechanism locked the steering in a left turn - Adrenalin boosted strength allowed me to break the mechanism (has never work self canceling since or jammed again either for that matter). I also had to rebuild the area (micro bed epoxy) around the copper contacts in the switch that was burned away from arcing.

I think mostly the issue is wear on the parts. Down by the floor on mine there is a pinned connection in like a square fitting that seem loose (pot metal); perhaps installing a larger diameter pin would tighten it up making the shaft rotation more positive. Might need some shim stock on the flats to get a better fit too.

I haven't work on that system since like the mid 80's and I don't recall the exact details more than I have expressed. Yea parts seem NLA last time I looked. I have never pulled the steering wheel.
 
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Pic of the back of the steering wheel? The pin that engages each side gets loose.
 
My turn signals on my 69 FJ40 don’t work quite right. I can either get the right one of left one to work right but then the other one either won’t come on or blinks fast. If I hold the fast blinker side down manually then it blinks properly. I’ve been playing with the adjustment turning the base slightly but I can’t get both sides working. I even took the bottom switch apart and sprayed penetrating fluid in there but the dowel and springs are so tight it makes it hard for the turn signal rod to turn far enough to engage.

Does anyone know any tricks to get this working better again. I can’t even find replacement any more.

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That switch mechanism is completely different the later ones. Mine was still functioning mechanically but decided that with it's age the plastic parts may be getting brittle so I replaced mine. I replaced the bearing, ignition switch and the column shell and added a bearing at the other end outside the fire wall since the original steering box is now gone.
 
Got about 20 in this box.
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Mark, those replaced due to column change ? You got 1 for a 70' ? I have found a little pressure keeps the left turn going, funny, after I cleaned ALL the fuse terminals, lite terminals & grounds it no longer required extra pressure to keep the flasher going. I'm thinking the contacts inside that little box need attention as well, are they servicable ?
 
Mark, those replaced due to column change ? You got 1 for a 70' ? I have found a little pressure keeps the left turn going, funny, after I cleaned ALL the fuse terminals, lite terminals & grounds it no longer required extra pressure to keep the flasher going. I'm thinking the contacts inside that little box need attention as well, are they servicable ?
When I took my switch apart I could see the little box but it was sealed. It had all those electrical connections to it and I was afraid to try to open it up. Now that I see that mark has a few I can try the steps you mentioned about cleaning all the terminals for the flashers and maybe replace those and see if that works before I try to tear open that switch box.

If everything fails I know I can reach out and get a replacement from Mark. Those 7 wires scare me though. Why so many wires? Left or right turn signals. Should be 2-3 wires.
 
Mark, those replaced due to column change ? You got 1 for a 70' ? I have found a little pressure keeps the left turn going, funny, after I cleaned ALL the fuse terminals, lite terminals & grounds it no longer required extra pressure to keep the flasher going. I'm thinking the contacts inside that little box need attention as well, are they servicable ?
I have never taken one apart before, but I have always been under the assumption that, unless something broke, it would be possible to just add a little solder to each one of the terminals the arm rotates to. Of course that begets the question of whether you’re good at soldering.

Fortunately for me, my wife is a pro. She learned how to solder stained glass before we got married. And I came home from work one day to find that our Suburban had sprung a leak in the radiator…and she soldered it.

She’s a keeper.😉
 
I had a sticky flasher, found that you can pop the flasher open, easily clean it and reseal with good results, then flashers still had intermittent laziness, knowing it clean I went after supply voltage, cleaned fuse ends, cleaned fuse block terminals, like shinny clean, check where main voltage comes into vehicle. I found that a combo of connections with a slight green/brown look, after cleaned had everything working well. Same issue when wipers were lazy, if dual fuel tank selector is acting up I go after the power supply connections first. My 40 is outside with just a skin top so more moisture & maintenance but those are the gremlins I have found to come about after decades. Overall for a rig that is outside for 2 decades + I am perfectly happy chasing a few things.
 
My left turn signal always works and my right will do about 3-4 then stops, I have found that I have to keep continual pressure on right. I also have on my list of definite projects a new turn signal switch. that has been on my list for as long as I have owned it.
 
Thats why I was asking Mark if he had new ones or if I needed to attempt service the old one. I am going to do the solder blob method.
Since all 4 of my rigs use the early switches, I'm hanging on to my NOS John.
 
When I took my switch apart I could see the little box but it was sealed. It had all those electrical connections to it and I was afraid to try to open it up. Now that I see that mark has a few I can try the steps you mentioned about cleaning all the terminals for the flashers and maybe replace those and see if that works before I try to tear open that switch box.

If everything fails I know I can reach out and get a replacement from Mark. Those 7 wires scare me though. Why so many wires? Left or right turn signals. Should be 2-3 wires.
Front left, front right, left rear, right rear, left brake and right brake all go through the switch.

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Long post warning, but you may find something helpful here. I just mentioned on another thread, these PRE-9/72 circuits were definitely designed by an engineer, not a maintainer. It’s extremely helpful to understand how the system is designed prior to jumping into a fix not doing so leads to so many “bad” fixes. It can be simplified to four pieces:

1. Hazard Switch is brains of the operation
2. Ignition OFF/hazard switch ON
— battery power ➡️ fuse block ➡️ hazard switch ➡ flasher ➡️ back to hazard switch (load)
— The four signal lights provide the load that triggers the flasher to flash
— Hazards work, turn signals DON’T work
3. Ignition ON/hazard switch ON or OFF
— Power ➡️ fuse block ➡️ ignition switch ➡️ hazard switch to ➡️ flasher ➡️ back to hazard switch (load)
— This time hazard switch also sends power to turn signal switch
— When turn signal switch is engaged, load from the left or right turn signals cause flasher to flash those lights
— Turning on the hazard switch overrides the turn signal switch and all four signal lights flash
4. Brake pedal DEPRESSED (hazard and turn signal switch positions don’t matter)
— Power ➡️ brake light switch ➡️ tail lights via turn signal switch
— independent of flasher and hazards so you always get steady brake lights

TROUBLESHOOTING STEPS. If your lights don’t function as above, check the following:
1. Has a PO made any obvious changes to the system (look for a lot of plain red, black, or yellow wires, usually larger than the other wires around them.
2. Check the fuses
3. Ensure good ground contact for each component. There’s not a ground wire in the mix. *Everything* is grounded to the chassis. Making sure clean connection to ground can save you a LOT of time. Even tiny amounts of paint or corrosion can cause funky issues, from not working at all to under volt issues that can make your lights do very strange things.
4. Check for corroded or worn terminals/contacts inside the components. WARNING! There are several small parts that will try to make their getaway. Open or dismantle the switches/flasher carefully and take a picture right away so you know how things go. Getting shorting blocks out of position can cause you more heartache. Clean contacts thoroughly with contact cleaner. Worn contacts can often be renewed with a bit of solder and a light touch. Heat the contact, not the solder or it won’t stick. Too much heat may cause solder that’s already in place to run out. Practice on some scrap metal first!
5. Get out your wiring diagram, multi-meter and some alligator clip test leads, it’s time to start chasing wires. Start from the fuse block back To the switches. Make sure power is going in and coming out. Then check power at the light. If no power, you know your problem is between the switch and the light. Check the ohms between the switch and the lamp. It should be 0 or damned close to it if the connection is good. A high number indicates corrosion or otherwise weak connection. OL (or similar on your device indicates a break in the line. Work your way from the light that’s out and look for breaks in the wire, cracks in the insulation (that will encourage corrosion), brittle/burned wires or shoddy repairs done by a PO.
 
Great info. Im still chasing down and reversing PO's "fixes", lots of spliced wiring and solder everywhere. Finally got headlights and dash lights to work; brake lights only work when pedal is pressed down. No turn signals/parking lights/rear lights. I do have the wiring diagrams, so chasing everything down is pretty straight forward.
 
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