Diesel Tacoma in 2020?

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I've read a lot about why Toyota will never sell diesels in the USA, and most of the reasons make sense. I do not know how reliable these guys are, but usautonews claims the new Tacoma will have a diesel in 2020.

Speaking of 2020 models, anyone want to:

  • Hazard a guess at when 2020's might be released; and
  • When do you normally see the prices of older models go down? Right after new model year is out, or a bit later?
 
Not saying they are wrong, but the last answer I found from Toyota a few years back was:

“The difficulty with the diesel is LEV III [emissions standards]. The difficulty is the cost-to-benefit relationship. Everybody loves diesel in trucks. The downside is the after-treatment systems can add $3,000 or more. It starts becoming cost prohibitive, especially in this segment, to pay a premium for both the engine and after-treatment system. That’s the struggle we have. We build a lot of diesel trucks, just not in this country. If I develop a diesel system for our country and I spend a huge amount of money to do that, I won’t see a return on the investment. That’s what we’ve struggled with.”

With US emissions standards the same or even stricter, not sure how no return on investment becomes return on investment since they'll have to add the after-treatment systems to the 2020 Tacoma. Did something else change? Crossing my fingers, but doesn't seem financially feasible.
 
Noah Miller said:
Did something else change? Crossing my fingers, but doesn't seem financially feasible.
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Perhaps the success of GMs midsize diesel pickup and Fords plans to offer one in the ranger? And I say that without knowing how successful the GM actually is in terms of sales numbers and warranty issues.

Plus, to meet toyotas standards for reliability I’d expect the engine and after treatment systems to be even more expensive than the competition.

The only thing I could see making the numbers on this work would be a dramatic increase in fuel prices and that just hasn’t happened yet.
 
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I'm sure someone would try to swap that engine into a 200


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You guys know I'm normally a stickler on keeping things on-topic. Diesels get me excited though.

I vote to move the thread..
 
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Yeah, I knew it was the 'wrong' place, but since we all (mostly) love the thought of a diesel in the 200, I thought I'd start here. Maybe change the title to: "Possible 200 Diesel Swap Option".
 
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Of course, if true, it begs the question: why not a diesel for the 200 (300?). If the Tacoma has one, why wouldn't other models?
 
Jeep is getting a diesel option and a hybrid, won't be surprised if Toyota answers the call

autoweek.com

The Wrangler diesel is ready to order

Report: Long-awaited diesel appears in ordering system paired with eight-speed auto
autoweek.com autoweek.com

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the all-new Jeep can be ordered with a 3.6-liter V6 with the eTorque mild-hybrid option or a 3.0-liter turbodiesel V6. Both of these powerplants were mentioned early on when the Wrangler debuted, but they are only now appearing as options in Jeep's ordering system, adding to the two other powerplant choices currently offered on the model.
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AnthonyLC said:
Jeep is getting a diesel option and a hybrid, won't be surprised if Toyota answers the call

autoweek.com

The Wrangler diesel is ready to order

Report: Long-awaited diesel appears in ordering system paired with eight-speed auto
autoweek.com autoweek.com

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the all-new Jeep can be ordered with a 3.6-liter V6 with the eTorque mild-hybrid option or a 3.0-liter turbodiesel V6. Both of these powerplants were mentioned early on when the Wrangler debuted, but they are only now appearing as options in Jeep's ordering system, adding to the two other powerplant choices currently offered on the model.
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I've had three, three! Friends with that 3.0L. All of them had their engine grenade between 103k-124k miles. No thanks.
 
Precisely why i'm interested to see what toyota's answer is. The AU version of the 200 engine in diesel is already amazing
 
The article keeps saying "The Toyota will".. sure seems legit.

Toyota's answer to Chrysler's unreliable diesel engines will most likely be to keep selling reliable gas engines.. probably following the industry-wide trend of smaller displacement with turbos.

The 1VD-FTV is a decent engine but it wouldn't be competitive here, especially with the increased cost. New car buyers won't want to pay more for 179 less horsepower, even if the fuel economy is better.
 
AnthonyLC said:
Precisely why i'm interested to see what toyota's answer is. The AU version of the 200 engine in diesel is already amazing
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I had diesel and gas 200s overseas and they both are good motors but I did have three turbos on the diesels fail over the years.

But honestly, US emissions standards make all diesels suck. They just are not reliable when making a diesel not function like a diesel. They are called oil burners for a reason. Oil fired engines need a bit of unburied oil to keep things running cool, but that doesn’t fly with the EPA. Low sulfur fuel, low calcium oil, the lubricity isn’t there anymore. So we have neutered diesel technology to the point where there is an entire aftermarket dedicated to just making US diesels work.

Could imagine this forum talking about how to keep our engines functioning instead of pretty much only talking about wheel/tire combinations or how much stuff we can bolt to a 200? That’s what it’s like in the diesel community. It’s just constant “how did you guys fix xxxx.”

And this is not directed at you but, if anyone hasn’t owners a diesel, then get ready for a whole new world of nasty maintenance. I love maintenance, but diesel crud gets old, water separators, EGRs, direct injectors, DEF systems. Guys just have no idea.

People think they will save money because of MPG. Think again when the cost of diesel, combined with the maintenance hits. Oh, and have fun in winter time when your fuel gels. So you’re buying cold flow and searching for power outlets to keep things heated when traveling.

I know diesels, I love them, I lived around them my whole life, but diesel is dying, and it needs to, because we basically are killing it slowly. But they are not like an American gas motor that just needs an oil change every 10,000 miles.
 
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Just to echo Rob’s point about maintenance, I have several good friends at dealerships that say the worst vehicle to buy used these days is a modern diesel truck. Many owners pay the premium for the big torque numbers and promised MPGs and think life’s great, but then completely neglect the maintenance a modern diesel needs. This is especially true in areas where buyers are absolutely stretching their budget to get the latest and greatest Cummins, DuraMax, or PS. They end up not budgeting for proper care and the neglect leads to various failures by 60k to 100k miles.

And while we keep talking about more diesels coming to the US, realize more are leaving the US market. Granted cars and trucks play by different rules, Chevy just discontinued their diesels in cars and CUVs.
 
To: Mike Sweers

Hi Mike,

Could you please send me a brochure for the new 2020 Tacoma diesel?

Could you also notify my dealer to give me a call when they can get me an orange TRD Off Road, double cab, LWB w JBL & Nav?

I greatly appreciate your assistance in this matter.

If you have any questions, please free to call me.

Thanks,

Jeff
 
I don't understand people's obsession with diesels, especially modern diesels.
The rustled jimmies of people when I tell them I'm pulling a diesel (1HZ) for a gasser (LS3), so many... until I tell them the numbers. One of them being, the 1HZ combo we pulled literally weights twice the LS3 combo and puts out less than 1/2 the power.
We're not talking 6BTs in 200s here. That's the only diesel I'd be for. If you want to put a 6BT in a 200. I'll fly out with my tools to help the swap.
 
Diesels are snore. Efficiency is not exciting. The added weight and lower payload is not exciting. The added emissions junk puts a nail in the coffin.

You want torque? Wheel torque is what matters. There's gearing for that. All the wheel torque and off the line yank you can ask for. Yet still getting all the top end HP and performance of a gasser.

Sure it takes more fuel, but there's aux tanks for that.
 
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