Brake job parts list?

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I plan on doing my brakes and want to make sure I'm not missing anything before I start the job.

my list so far

cruiserteq front bearing kit
snap rings just in case
rotors
pads
12 cone washers
pad retaining clips (do the pads come with these)?

do i need new bolts and washers to go along with the cone washers?
should i get a pad shim kit or can i reuse the old ones?


anything else im missing, or recommend in case of worn parts?

thank you
 
Unless your bearings are bad there's not really any reason to do them. Are they making noise? If not, re-grease them and let them go. Generally all that's needed is the pads. If the rotors have a lip or are warped replace them, if not, reuse them. You can get a set of calipers and measure the thickness if you want to be sure. When I say calipers i mean the measuring tool, not the brake component. Everything else on your list can be reused.
 
Unless your bearings are bad there's not really any reason to do them. Are they making noise? If not, re-grease them and let them go. Generally all that's needed is the pads. If the rotors have a lip or are warped replace them, if not, reuse them. You can get a set of calipers and measure the thickness if you want to be sure. When I say calipers i mean the measuring tool, not the brake component. Everything else on your list can be reused.
looking at the service records the dealership put the rotors on a lathe 30k miles ago, they look like a vinyl record.

the rear ones were replaced not too long ago and will only need pads.

as far as the bearings go, i have 175k miles, i figure it will be a while before i replace the brakes again, id hate to have to do the bearings down the road and tear it apart again, i would also hate to tear it open now and see the bearings are damaged and not have a set ready. not really sure now, ill see what the price difference is and if its worth the chance.

is there anything else you recommend?
 
looking at the service records the dealership put the rotors on a lathe 30k miles ago, they look like a vinyl record.

the rear ones were replaced not too long ago and will only need pads.

as far as the bearings go, i have 175k miles, i figure it will be a while before i replace the brakes again, id hate to have to do the bearings down the road and tear it apart again, i would also hate to tear it open now and see the bearings are damaged and not have a set ready. not really sure now, ill see what the price difference is and if its worth the chance.

is there anything else you recommend?
A brass hammer or brass drift so you can get the cone washers out without damaging the threads on the studs and a good torque wrench. A good dead blow hammer wouldn't hurt either, for separating the hub and rotor once you get the bolts out. A good set of c-clip pliers would be good. And a 54mm socket for getting the hub nuts off. You don't want to beat it with a hammer and damage it. That's all of the stuff I can think of right now.
 
you need brakes after 30k miles?
and the rears were replaced recently?
neither should need to be replaced, is something else going on?
slide pins?
frozen caliper?
check for play in axle splines to drive hub
grease the inner spindle bearing
 
you need brakes after 30k miles?
and the rears were replaced recently?
neither should need to be replaced, is something else going on?
slide pins?
frozen caliper?
check for play in axle splines to drive hub
grease the inner spindle bearing
Dealer serviced its whole life, averaged about 35k miles for some kind of brake service over the course of 166k miles. I’d think if there was a problem the dealer would have caught it in the last 20 years.
 
With proper braking. Pads can last 45K rear, 90K font 98-02, ~60K rear & front 03-07. Exception is daily stop and go HWY rush hour traffic. Which wear pads faster from excessive braking. Why is wear different, between years? Toyota increase front braking, by increasing brake caliper pistons size in 03-07!

That said:
Rotors are replaced when wear limit reached. Front 30MM minimum.

If getting brake pulse, pulling while braking or if rotors heavily grooved (vinyl record which can wear new pads faster).

If one or more issue with front rotors or wishing new rotor. Certainly replacing during a wheel bearing service, makes a lot of senses.

We machine turn front rotors, on an OTV Brake Lathe. When needed to correct issues. But, wheel bearing must be tight to do so. We also need at least 30.5mm before machining, best to have at least 31mm machining (cut on lathe). Since we remove a minimum of 0.5mm, during machining.


New Front Shim kits are usually needed. But we don't know for sure, until old are inspected for wear of anti squeal shim (inner shim) and or damage to piston retaining clips of pad retainer shim (outer shim). Note: We two different shim kits 98-02 and 03-07. They are not interchangeable.

I replace slide pins, most every time. They tend to have grooves worn in pins and rusty.

Most times, if they been serviced a good Toyota/Lexus shop. The pad retainer clips, wire clips and anti rattle spring (not shown id diagram) are reusable.
Front pads.webp

Anti rattle spring, is seen here between pads on lower pin.
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Wheel bearing service with Rotor replacement:
First do not pound on hub flange.
Hit hub flange studs, using a bass dowel, to pop out cone washes. I find most brass hammers or forged brass and to hard to use on studs.
This was a hub flange and cone washer, that were glued on. We should never use FIPG here. Just a gasket. Worked me and my tools to death. PITA.

After which I developed tooling, to handle all cone washers fast and easy. Love this tool set-up:


Using a plastic dead blow hammer. To pound wheel hub off rotors, is best tool I've found.
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Dead blow above works best, better than plastic hammer below.
With wooden blocks placed under rotor, hold wheel hub off bench. Pound wheel hub through/off rotor. We're pounding on wheel speed sensor stator and seal ring/seat of wheel hub oil seal. If a steel or even forged brass hammer used. It will damage the area we pound on. So only used softer material to pound with. Like wood. lead, rubber, or plastic.
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Note the non-reusable parts:
Tip:
Wheel bearing, axle bearing and brass bushings are reusable. Provide races not removed and bearing keep with their races and condition of bearings, race brass bushings good.
Hub flange nuts. are re-reusable. Provide thread not loose on stud (worn). But we do need to use, medium Loctite (thread sealer).
Steering Knuckle, wheel bearing & axle hub 065 (2).webp
 
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Great write-up Paul! I have my rotors and pad kit- I'll be tackling this job Saturday!
 
So my flange studs and nuts are most likely reusable? That would save me a few bucks. Thanks for the write up. I watched a few videos and it seems straight forward, just a lot of pieces.
 
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