Biodiesel Piggie #2 Buildup (was Sad Sad day...)

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Here are some photos of the 80 dash and harness.. You can see how inticate it is. There are literally about 30-40 plugs maybe on the whole harness, many of which have as many as 30 or 40 wires going into them. At the thickest point of the harness, behind the dash, it is maybe 2.5" thick in wires.. Not like an old school Land Cruiser at all of course... If you look closely you can see my masking tape all over the place marking where what goes into what... I did a pretty good job keeping it labelled but it will still be a heck of a job to wire one of these into a different cruiser IMO... But that said the whole engine / trans / t case / harness / computer / accessories combo is for sale for anyone interested...

I also removed all the carpeting etc (which was all very easy) and I think I am going to sawzall the back body off first to get closer access to the frame. I need to remove the gas tank first before I can do that though.. there is also still one last piece of harness for the tailights and tailgate left in the rear. Even back there there are still 40-50 wires, unreal compared to my former 55 which maybe had 10-15 wires including the rear window and e-locker?
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Here is the steering console and the shedded up seat that I will probably use regardless.. I have a pretty clean grey rear seat to match and I think evenually I'll get them all reupholstered regardless... And I think I will reuse the 80 series center console as well...
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Finally here is the rear heater that I think I will also use. Again I have to drain the coolant first but but it is a neat setup.. Everyone always says the rear heater is in the center console like a 62 but it is actually under the pass seat and has a port that makes the heat come out of the center console. I am not sure if I'll reuse the center port or not.. But it will be nice ot have a nice late model rear heater instead of the factory early FJ55 rear heaters that most of us have had problems with. Even though I have two FJ55 rear heaters regardless...
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And finally putting another use to the term "as the birfield turns" (which is what we normally use to describe the local cruiser shop scene around here before it all sort of self-imploded :( ) -- Here is a another 55 that belonged to Dan Gositch for a while (Oyhwee Jackess here on 'mud) that I once almost traded a set of tires for except that I didn't need it.. So it then ended up in another local 55 guy's hands, Mike Bordrero, who is a college student up in Logan (about 3 hours north). Then it ended up in another 55 guy hands (Aaron leach). Anywhoo, I need a new hood, windshield, and all sorts of other misc parts including some sensors, etc.. So I think I will be picking this up so it will come full circle. Then I think I will take it to the scappers or something similar after... Pretty funky old '71 I think.. Same dash as me looks like from the rear photo...
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It came from Boise where it is high desert and they don't use a lot of salt so it actually doesn't look to bad either IMO. I am also seeing some other neat stuff to use on the new project: the rear emblems, mirror on the driver's side, possibly a good fender or two??
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I was wondering why you went with a NV5600? Besides the cool factor :cool: . The first gear and overdrive are very close to that of the NV4500. I have not driven a cruiser with a NV4500(and you have:) ) but I do know when towing a skidsteer with the father-in-laws Dodge the closer ratio of the NV5600 keeps you in the power band of the engine. I can't see a cruiser needing that close of a gear ratio between 2nd and 5th.

Ratio Data------ NV-4500------NV-5600

First Gear---------5.61------------5.63
Second Gear-----3.04------------3.38
Third Gear--------1.67------------2.04
Fourth Gear-------1.00------------1.39
Fifth Gear---------0.74------------1.00
Sixth Gear--------n/a-------------0.73


I am about to start collecting parts for my 4bt conversion and my first thought was to go with the NV5600 but figure a NV4500 would be good enough.

Looking forward to seeing the project come along .


And if you are parting out some of those pigs. I am looking for a set of stock rear springs from a 55
 
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I don't know for sure because it isn't my project, but have you noticed the nasty lag between 3rd and 4th on the 4500? Granted, a Dodge truck is heavier than a pig, but it also has a lot more torque and HP than the 4bt. Soooo, having that lag between 3rd and 4th could be troublesome off road, while the 6 speed will allow Andre the perfect gear choice for any situation. That being said, it would only really be relevant if he runs dual cases and I don't remember if he is or not.

Dan
 
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And finally putting another use to the term "as the birfield turns" (which is what we normally use to describe the local cruiser shop scene around here before it all sort of self-imploded :( ) -- Here is a another 55 that belonged to Dan Gositch for a while (Oyhwee Jackess here on 'mud) that I once almost traded a set of tires for except that I didn't need it.. So it then ended up in another local 55 guy's hands, Mike Bordrero, who is a college student up in Logan (about 3 hours north). Then it ended up in another 55 guy hands (Aaron leach). Anywhoo, I need a new hood, windshield, and all sorts of other misc parts including some sensors, etc.. So I think I will be picking this up so it will come full circle. Then I think I will take it to the scappers or something similar after... Pretty funky old '71 I think.. Same dash as me looks like from the rear photo...
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Oh for the love of God - how could you take a Pig w/ custom 70's paint to the crusher?!?
 
LOL TJ, I may not crush it, just not sure what I'd do with it.. If there is anything salvagable I'll let you know! Truth behind the 5600 is bling sad enough for the most part. Just cool to have a 6 speed I figure I guess :) But that said Kliers (thanks again Dan I got the key today!) is right, the gap particularly between 3rd and 4th is huge. Not too bad but basically with 4.1s and 35's I have been driving it like a 3 speed with an overdrive.. Anyone who has some time in a chevy truck with a SM465 knows what I am talking about, slightly weird gearing. If I were running 3.73s I think it would be a better situation and I would actually use first. And with the NV4500 2nd was a little too fast to start in and first alittle too low. So this way I figure I will return to an actual 5 speed plus a granny low, versus a 3 with an overdrive like it has been. Off road especially in low range the gaps weren't too big. But in high range they became extra noticable because of the more power needed to power all 4 wheels... But that said an NV4500 sure would have been a lot easier and cheaper too and I probably would have done it again. Or like Henry C did which I think is an awesome combo, 3.73s, 4.10, H55F, and a doubler box... But this combo will work well, particularly once/if i get the 4:1 low range gears for the dana 300.. I forgot to mention but I did luck out, the best tran shop in SLC in my opinion is Tourist and they will swap bellhousings and completely rebuild (assuming all my parts are in good shape for $550 complete with bellhousing. And I got the junk yard to refund me $500 towards it so I really lucked out. So for $50 my NV5600 now is completely rebuilt and now has a two year 24,000 mile warantee as well.. I am pretty pyseched aobut this..

Not much to report otherwise. i lost my camera for a few days so no photos. Luckily I found it though.. anyway, dropped the tank and from the t-case back the body is basically ready to come off. Picked up the engine hoist on Weds, I am hoping to pull the drivetrain out of the 80 tomorrow. i can't believe how long this teardown of the 80 has been taking... A little too long but I guess part of the process i suppose...
 
thanks rugburn appreciated...

Anywhoo, did get a good day of work in yesterday... including.. finally getting the drivetrain out! Pretty psyched about this. Now if I can only sell it. Started a thread on PBB about it, seeing if I can get a good lead on where / how to sell this thing..
http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/showthread.php?t=483781

One step closer to getting the body off. Paint and frame look pretty good so I don't think I'll have to paint them... Also there is lots of neat stuff on the 80 that hopefully I will be able to reuse on the 55.. It will be neat to see how it all comes together..

I also can't believe how complex this whole thing is which is why I think a lot of 80 series guys aren't modifying their rigs as much. Also that they half-way decently setup from the factory but nevertheless. I think it would be a long time I think before I take on any sort of series 80 series mod at least drivetrain wise I think..

Anywhoo, here are some photos from yesterday.. My buddy Dave also stopped by with his immaculate FJ60 that was having some gauge issues (FJ60's have points in the gauges that need to be cleaned occationally I guess.. He is slightly gimpy with a bum knee but helped me out a little here and there..
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I took lots of photos of the motor mounts because ironically a lot of guys on the 4BT list are using 45 degree Dodge 6BT-style mounts instead of the vertical kind that the 4BT reuses from the factory. The 4BT in the breadvans also sits at a 10-15 degree rotation counter clockwise if looking at the engine compartment. On the last pig I reused this rotatino but since I am switching adapter plates to the Dodge one, it will get rid of it so I will need to figure out a motor mount scenario. Most guys are fabbing up their own but I am going to see if there is a semi reasonable cost on simply buying them from Dodge or Cummins rather than spending a lot of time fabbing. Or maybe use the liquid filled mounts that 4BT's come with (here is a sample photo from ebay) that mount vertically so an L-shaped mount similar to my last setup..

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Cumm...ryZ50454QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
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Then here are some photos from some guys on the 4BT list using the 6BT mounts. I think the 4BT mounts will isolate vibration better but I will have to fab up a mount on the engine side that doesn't compensate for the 10 degree tilt if I want to use the 4BT style mounts.

Anyway, photo of a 6BT style mount. Also 6BT mounts are ~$30 and readily available versus the 4BT mounts which are rare (maybe I should pickup a spare set if I use them).
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So this is why I have a keen interest in the FZJ80 frame motor mounts which could work. But that said I will not mind cutting off the 80 series mounts at all and fabbing up my own, it was probably the funnest part of the last build, so much so that I did it twice :)

The 80 series:
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Hey brudda,
Looks like its coming along well. I got the body off the 80 today, I just have to pull the engine off the frame and start taking the 62 apart to drop on the frame...

https://forum.ih8mud.com/showthread.php?t=57360&page=3

theres the like to the thread...

It sure was fun rolling the 80 series body off

-Al
 
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