Battery recommendations in HOT climates

Best battery for HOT climates

  • Gel cell (Optima and similar)

    Votes: 5 55.6%
  • Sealed "maintenance free"

    Votes: 3 33.3%
  • Regular "maintainable" battery

    Votes: 1 11.1%

  • Total voters
    9

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My cheap Canadian Tire Eliminator batteries have died so I need some new ones. (These will be going back to Canadian Tire for my lifetime warrantee when I'm nearby again.)

What recommendations do you folks have for batteries in hot climates like Central America? I found that my batteries loose a lot of electrolyte in Central America as compared to at home in Canada.

Are gel cells (Optima's) good for hot climates? Should I stay with a "maintainable" battery of should I go with a "maintenance free" (sealed) battery?
 
Hi there,

I have done a lot of research on AGM versus GEL versus standard Lead Acid for boating and jetski'ing and 4wd'ing - running fridges etc. I am in Australia which is a hot environment, especially in Qld.

Regarding Gel versus AGM - I recommend you BUY AGM over GEL - AGM is completely different, but GEL is better than standard lead acid in my opinion - they are particularly good in my experience for starting every day and still not as good as AGM if they are not run every day.

They do not compete with AGM type when you look at the benefits. Here is a very good article I found on why AGM... might be the most suitable for 4WD's who want to run accessories like Fridges which are not started every day like your car... similar to boats and RV's and are not charged with expensive charger's ie. just your car's alternator...

AGM (Absorbed Glass Matt) batteries have huge advantages over conventional batteries in most circumstances.

For most people, people AGM (Absorbed Glass Matt) batteries will have a huge advantage over the conventional wet cell battery.

Although this will get a little long winded, it’s well worth understanding the virtues of both types of batteries, and how you can put them to best use, I won’t go deeply into the technical details of these batteries, just point out some of their advantages, and why.

Basically it starts with how you intend to recharge your batteries, I am talking about your main recharging source here.

If you are going to be using any of the smart charging solutions, like solar panels and a quality smart regulator, or a smart 3 stage mains (240v) battery charger, or the Christie Honda petrol charger (set to hi charge), then in most cases the conventional wet cell battery will serve you well. In our 4WD's this is NOT usually the case..

If treated correctly (and few are) conventional batteries can outlast AGM’s, but only if they are well maintained and cycled within their design perimeters, with both correct discharging/charging and equalizing (now that a whole other story) and with keeping electrolyte (water) levels up.

However if your main source of charging is from your vehicles alternator, like in a 4WD/Boat, or you need to place the batteries in places that are less than optimum for safe battery storage, keeping in mind that wet cell batteries give of hydrogen (explosive) gas as they are charging, then you should consider using AGM batteries as they are totally sealed and spill proof.

A bit about Alternators.
Standard car and truck alternators are designed, for various good reasons to recharge car batteries to only 70-80%, and this works very well for normal cars and trucks being used EVERY DAY, but when it comes to charging wet cell batteries, where of course we need as full a charge as possible, that same 70-80% is not very helpful at all.

Float charging helps but still is not ideal.

All Automotive battery chargers suffer from much the same less than perfect regulation as car alternators, and achieve much the same results, and take a much much longer time to do it.

As an example lets imagine you have a 100 A/H(Amp Hour) battery, and you main charging source is you vehicles alternator or a standard automotive battery charger, now both of these will only charge this battery to about 75% (75 A/H), and you should not discharge your batteries below 50% (50 A/H in this case) of their capacity (see note below) if you want them to last, so all you can really safely use of this 100 A/H battery is 25 A/H, not much eh?

All conventional wet cell battery manufacturers say that their batteries are designed to be cycled to 50% of their rated capacity!

So each and every time you take these batteries below this 50% you are shortening their lives, and if you do it regularly and deeply you will even more dramatically reduce their lives.

Now remember the 100 A/H battery with only 25 A/H usable? A huge gain can be had if you are using any of the smart charging solutions, like solar panels and a quality smart regulator, or a smart 3 stage mains (240v) battery charger, or the Christie Honda petrol charger (set to hi charge), you can expect close to 100% (100 A/H) charge, so 100 A/H capacity, discharge to 50% (50 A/H), that’s now 50 A/H usable, twice what you had before!

Now lets look at some of the direct advantages of these AGM batteries.

These batteries are totally sealed, ‘transport’ classed as spill proof, never needing topping up with water, ever! because of this they can be mounted inside a car, caravan, motor home etc and only need to be vented to atmosphere, they do not need to be in a sealed box vented to the outside like wet batteries, and can be mounted on their sides or ends if needed.

Because of their very low internal resistance these batteries will fully charge at a lower voltage, and accept a much larger charge current, so when charging from a standard car/truck alternator these batteries will all but fully charge, and fast too, in about 2.5 to 3 hours!

They can be discharged much much deeper than conventional deep cycles without major damage.
These batteries when left unattended only self discharge at the rate of up to 3% per month, and even after 12 months sitting idle can be recharged and put back into full service without any ill effects. PERFECT for BOATS and 4WD and RV's which are not used every day.

On the other hand a standard wet cycle battery if treated the same way will have destroyed it's self, it will no longer hold a good charge, and is sadly ready for the rubbish tip and recycling, not cycling!

AGM batteries were originally developed for the military, they are very robust and will take a real pounding.
The original AGM batteries were made in the US, brands like Odyssey, Concord, Lifeline, all excellent batteries, used extensively also in the aircraft and in the motor racing fields, but hugely expensive, there are now a lot of these (AGM) types of batteries coming out of China, and some are just rubbish.

My battery dealer's battery supplier (ALCO Battery Sales Australia) has found a couple of company's over in China that has been in production for many years, and have been selling batteries into the European market for a long time and have built up very good reputations, ALCO now import these batteries into Australia and are selling them through their own outlets and dealers like the one I buy from.

The batteries are branded
Fullriver and ALCO.

I currently have a 120 Amp Hour in my boat - a year old and still gives me perfect performance and one in my Jet ski(just put that one(20 Amp Hour) in 4 or 5 months ago)

These AGM valve regulated batteries (also called SLA or Sealed Lead Acid) offer very good value, and when compared to standard deep cycle batteries in a dollar per usable amp hour format, they come out miles ahead, plus all the added advantages that I have already outlined, plus more.

I learned that in a car - if you have a faulty wet cell standard battery, if it develops a fault, it can spew acid and permanently damage your paintwork. Also, When they die, they just DIE - usually very little warning.

Also, if you do deeply discharge a standard wet cell battery, just charging it with your alternator could get you into trouble - you stop at after 30 minutes of running and go to start again and find it just hasn't got enough to start - this is because the batteries often wont accept a high amperage especially if discharged a lot - AGM accept much higher charge rates and "fill up" faster.

Please note, my comments in this article are for batteries that are to be used in recreational vehicles, boats etc, and are used for weekends away and a few months a year, AGM's used in this way have a design life of 5 to 8 years.

However if you need a battery bank that will be in constant daily discharge cycle use all year round, then your battery bank should be sized so that your daily depth of discharge is about 20 to 25%, this applies to all types of deep cycle batteries if you want them to last for many years.

I hope this helps...:)
 
I like sealed. I'm not a fan of filling up batteries. I've had good luck with the sealed units.

Also for rough roads you have less chance of leaks.
 
I have done a lot of research on AGM versus GEL versus standard Lead Acid for boating and jetski'ing and 4wd'ing - running fridges etc. I am in Australia which is a hot environment, especially in Qld.

I assume that AGM or as you point out "absorbed glass matt" is a sealed battery? Please correct me if I'm wrong as I've never heard that term before.
 
canadian tire calls the orbital batteries they sell agm. As well the spiral eliminator as agm.

they are sealed.
 
They are not the AGM I am referring too... the ones I am referring to is ones like Fullriver and Alco - you can gets lots of information on them at www.fullwavemarine.com
 
I dont have any opinions on which battery except get the big ones.
Anyone ever noticed how hot the LH side of the engine bay gets.
Maybe having the batteries on the right would help;)
 
I've killed 4 or 5 sealed "maintenance free" batteries in the last few years here in Costa Rica.

About a year ago I put a non-sealed "normal" battery in. Since then I've topped it off twice, but just a little bit of water each time.

If you crank the caps down tight, you've got little chance of leakage (certainly no more chance than a sealed battery). If you are really worried, I've seen people put a single strip of duct tape across all 6 caps. If they are clean when you put it on, the tape should help keep the caps from working loose.

The thing about very hot conditions is that your battery *will* evaporate the electrolyte. There are only 2 solutions: use a gel or AGM battery that can't evaporate. Or use a battery where you can maintain it. If/when the electrolyte level gets below the plate(s) it starts to degrade battery performance, which makes it run hotter, which evaporates more electrolyte, which degrades performance, which makes it run hotter......
 
If you crank the caps down tight, you've got little chance of leakage (certainly no more chance than a sealed battery).

I have currently in my BJ60 a set of Toyota batteries that you have to fill up. They have a vent cap plate, not idividual caps. It leaks or vents battery acid. My one battery does it all the time. Main reason on my next battery I will just use sealed. But that said the theme of this thread was "in hot enviro...." So I am not valid in this discussion.

I see maybe 30 for a day or two...then back down to 20 or less. But in the winter I am not that cold. -5 to -15. With occasional -20 or greater.
 
Mmm when I saw this thread my plan was make a bat leeson .. but I can't :D

My experience let me know here in Panamá the better bat that I can found here it's the AC Delco ..

Actually I have one in my cruiser from maybe 4 or 5 years .. with may discharges over it and it's still fuunction fine. Last time after my rolled it ket around 4 moth without charge .. and when I need start my 2H it do inmediately ..

Also have a Optima yellow top in my home .. that can't hold charge :frown:
 
well it doesnt get much hotter than here in Phx AZ. i dont know much about the "type" of AGM battery franku is referring to other than reading his post, to be honest i had a spout of ADD and didnt read ALL of it. but, i have had very positive usage out of the optima red top. i just recently replaced it. it was 7 yrs old and sometimes the cruiser would sit for a month or more between drives. i reckon i got my monies worth, so i got another red top.
 
My experience let me know here in Panamá the better bat that I can found here it's the AC Delco ..

:frown:

Funny the battery that came from the factory on my T100 toyota was a delco. It had the trademark "green eye". It lasted 10 years with numerous cold winter starts.

I thought it was great battery.
 
Ive had mixed luck with optima batteries.
Here in Panama, Batteries need to take a lot of heat, especially in gridlock traffic and 95 degree weather.
I've had red top and blue top batteries last me over 7 years, as well as yellow top batteries go bad within a year and a half.
Worst of all, I had bought 2 of them at the same time for my diesel truck, and only 1 of them died. It was fine going to the store, and suddenly 1 died.
Now, I just buy the Price costco Eveready lead acid battery. I figured I rather buy a cheaper battery and replace it every couple of years, Than buy a $200 battery that could last 1 or 5 years. On top of that, The Costco Battery even has a better warranty, Down here. 2 years full replacement. Over the optima which is 1 year with a progressive discount on refund.
Feeling Lucky Punk???:doh:

Just check your levels often on your battery, and you'll be fine.
:cheers:
 
Funny the battery that came from the factory on my T100 toyota was a delco. It had the trademark "green eye". .

The " green eye " of my AC Delco was green first 3 years .. now it's complete black but still function as first day :D
 
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