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lowtideride said:
Is this with the A440 tranny?
Arms VS Brackets...
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Is this with the A440 tranny?
alkaline747trio said:
yes until the h55 gets here. I still think the cheapest option would be the combo of the flip brackets and possible cut and turn to get the pinion angle you want. This would only be labor and some welding. You could do all this by your self and just tack it together and get someone else to weld it. None of it is hard just research it a little. So this might cost ya a few bucks in wire/gas and a can of black rattle can.
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Nay said:
Those only MIGHT put my caster to where I wouldn't need a CV drive shaft, and definatly wouldn't put the axle where it needs to be for minimal trimming.
Pinion angle, not caster, determines whether or not you need a CV driveshaft. With a 6" lift at near the correct caster, you will most likely need a CV shaft.
Buy Slee's entire kit. Or someone's entire kit, there's a reason the kits are more than a couple of springs and arms.
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Buy Slee's entire kit. Or someone's entire kit, there's a reason the kits are more than a couple of springs and arms.
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-Spike- said:
This is true, but since they are both attached when you rotate one the other changes as well. Thats why a cut n turn and an arm flip go hand in hand.
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Why are you going for so much lift?
Nothing in URE requires it.
If you insist then go with slees arms.
The $150 more will be nothing compared to the extra gas with 37"
Nothing in URE requires it.
If you insist then go with slees arms.
The $150 more will be nothing compared to the extra gas with 37"
alkaline747trio said:
Same goes for drop brackets and caster brackets and control arms that change caster. They all do the same thing, which is rotate the pinion down to improve caster, which of course also brings the pinion down.
The 5 degree caster bushings are the least expensive way to get back to near stock caster on your 5" lift, and then you can see if you need a CV shaft. Or you can spend $500 on drop brackets to get the same basic result.
With 4" drop bracket and CC bushings you are talking about some 7-8 degrees of caster correction and therefore 7-8 degrees of change in driveshaft u-joint angle on the axle end. If it doesn't vibrate now, is the stock driveshaft going to tolerate that much angle change and run smoothly as a sure thing?
I'm sure you know this: at 5" of lift the solution is CV shaft and gaining the excess caster that comes with it. You might get lucky, you might not, but for $500 I'd buy the Slee caster plates and CV shaft before I'd buy a bunch of drop brackets using the stock shaft, and keep your stock arms with stock rubber mounted in the stock position. That is the right solution for a $500 budget (and one more piece of the Slee 4" kit that you are well on your way to buying
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The thing is, at 4-5" of lift, if you over correct for caster a certain amount, then you can run your stock drive shaft, or I was led to believe, which is why I want to correct for 6" of lift because that is what the slee arms are for, and that is what Ben @ SOR said would keep me from having to run a CV shaft.
If brackets w/ CC bushings will do the same thing as the arms and not be as much of a compromise as everyone is led to believe, then that is what I would run. If not, then tell me that the brackets will absolutly positively not work, and I have to run the arms.
I guess what I am trying to accomplish is correct for caster, not need a CV drive shaft, not have to trim a whole lot for 36's, and not break the bank doing this. Does this mean the Slee arms are my only option, or does that mean the brackets and CC bushings will do all that, just with a slight compromise in clearance and possibly flex?
If brackets w/ CC bushings will do the same thing as the arms and not be as much of a compromise as everyone is led to believe, then that is what I would run. If not, then tell me that the brackets will absolutly positively not work, and I have to run the arms.
I guess what I am trying to accomplish is correct for caster, not need a CV drive shaft, not have to trim a whole lot for 36's, and not break the bank doing this. Does this mean the Slee arms are my only option, or does that mean the brackets and CC bushings will do all that, just with a slight compromise in clearance and possibly flex?
alkaline747trio said:
Your divin me nuts;p do some labor, save some money. Like 500 dollars.
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lowtideride said:
But do I have enough lift for an arm flip, and will that move the axle forward any like the slee arms do?
alkaline747trio said:
That is true, we have heard that with the Slee 4" springs and caster correction from Slee arms for the 6" lift that the stock shaft will work. The question is whether drop brackets and CC bushings would give you the same correction as Slee arms.
I think you are headed down the wrong path with substituting a 4" frame mount drop for a bit of clearance loss with caster brackets. The axle mounts and stock arms aren't hang up points...they really do function as sliders for the most part. A 4" drop is going to be a hang up point - I don't care what anybody says - if you are doing wheeling that requires 36" tires in the rocks.
If you are going to spend about $500 just do it right and gain the major advantage of the CV shaft in the process (joints are stronger with zero operating angle on the axle end and will last longer).
Of course, you want to run 36's for hardcore wheeling on an 80, and $500 for caster is going to be the least of it, and that's the real problem: wanting to run 36's on a big lift on a practically non-existent budget
Nay
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Ok, you guys have talked me out of the brackets, now the question is Slee Arms vs. Arm Flip. Both will be around $550 to 600 (sorry lowtide, don't have the skills for it, or the tools needed to do it). Will an arm flip relocate the axle like the Slee Arms do for trimming purposes, or not?
Nay said:Of course, you want to run 36's for hardcore wheeling on an 80, and $500 for caster is going to be the least of it, and that's the real problem: wanting to run 36's on a big lift on a practically non-existent budget
Nay
I think this is very important, you do not want to go down the big lift path and not have the money to fix things. Plus the money to fix thing when you start breaking them. Believe me, we get those calls every day.
Also, just FWIW, the new arms are going to be more than your budget, that is the bad news, but the good news is that you might be able to pick up some used arms if people upgrade.
We will have our last prototype set this week and then we are going to test them with the 4" lift and see how it works in terms of stock driveshaft, caster angles etc etc.
I am running a set on my truck with the 6" lift and the handling is really good.
PS, we also have 5 degree caster bushings in stock that will fix the caster for 3" to 4" lift. However we have not tested them yet in terms of vibrations etc.
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So you're saying you wont be offering the arms you have now any more? And, if I break something, I will still have transportation, I'll just have to ride around in a grandma car until I get the money to fix the cruiser. I have the money for either option right now (arm flip/slee arms/drop brackets), I'm just trying to save any money I can get away with saving.
The arms are the new ones. It was mentioned in this thread
https://forum.ih8mud.com/showthread.php?t=104310
https://forum.ih8mud.com/showthread.php?t=104310
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sleeoffroad said:
Then where did this one go?
We decided to discontiue them in favor of a better design that is stronger. With the old design we had welds and I wanted to get away from that. We had a couple of weld failures in some of the early arms and I wanted to get away from having welds on the arms.
Also, with the new arms, we can run caster bushings in them to add or subtract caster.
Also, with the new arms, we can run caster bushings in them to add or subtract caster.
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Could you not use caster bushings in the old arms? Are there any old stock of the old design arms?