Is the tracer just on the inside of the braid, or is it built into one of the strands of the braid? I've got a couple pieces of end cut Amsteel Blue and I don't recall seeing it in them...
Amsteel blue ID please
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The tracer should be between the strands, it's woven in there.
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-Alex
Jumping in late here I know, but I hadnt really seen mention of the actual splice.
First... Its to short for 7/16. 7/16 requires a bury of 9.2 inches. This does not include the taper. Which brings me to the second point...
Second..... The taper looks like it hasnt happened. On 7/16 the entire taper should take at least 3" of the very end of the line and even the very end should be cut at a realtively steep angle. If it indeed hasnt been tapered, the tape thats been left on only intensifies the immediate change in diameter between the outer and inner lines. PRIME spot for failure.
Third.... Not a big deal, but looks alot neater. A Locked Brummel Splice would eliminate the need to whip the throat of the eye. It also eliminates the need to lock stitch the bury.
I wouldnt use that until its been correctly spliced. Class 2 cord is slippery, if the bury isnt long enough it can release under load. The tape left on is a sign of shoddy work, IMO.
The tracer runs on the inside of the line. Its not actually woven into any of the independent strands.
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SHANE FOWLER (geneseemtn)?
Anyone know how I can get in touch with Shane Fowler (geneseemtn)? He sold what appears to be fake Amsteel Blue cable and I want to discuss the matter with him. He has not returned my emails or PMs here on mud. Any help would be appreciated.
Mark
Anyone know how I can get in touch with Shane Fowler (geneseemtn)? He sold what appears to be fake Amsteel Blue cable and I want to discuss the matter with him. He has not returned my emails or PMs here on mud. Any help would be appreciated.
Mark
Without knowing for sure, I wouldnt jump the gun yet. Im not sure exactly when Samson added the tracer. Last summer I was splicing some 7/8 and 3/16 and neither had the tracer. And I know for a fact they were Amsteel Blue.
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I'm not.
I sent photos to an Amsteel dealer and he doesn't believe the rope is Amsteel. In any case I have no confidence in the rope so I want to return it. Any legit seller should be willing to take a "new" item like this back.
Sounds like you are on top of it.
I agree, if it's not as advertised then the seller should take it back.
Rectifying my mistake that I just caught. My fingers moving faster than my brain.
1 fid measurement for 7/16 is 9.2 inches. With a plain bury in 7/16 you should have a bury length of 27.6 inches. The bury in the rope shown in these photos is woefully short and simply put, dangerous.
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Well I found a phone number for the seller (Shane Fowler 303-588-2088) and he is refusing to accept a return. The rope is exactly as he sent it to me. All I did was photograph it - and get a pretty consistent consensus that there are serious issues with the rope: it is likely NOT genuine Amsteel AND it is woven in a way that could make it fail...
I tried to talk to him man to man but he isn't going to do the right thing. I even offered to eat the shipping both ways... If I were closer I would go and talk to him in person.
I just hope that someone else that he sold this stuff to doesn't get hurt.
Mark
I tried to talk to him man to man but he isn't going to do the right thing. I even offered to eat the shipping both ways... If I were closer I would go and talk to him in person.
I just hope that someone else that he sold this stuff to doesn't get hurt.
Mark
That's a shame. If you send it to me I'll splice it correctly and then you can at least use it. Shoot me a PM if you're interested.
Way cool.
I'll bookmark your site for any possible future splicing needs. Do you sell AB winch rope?
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Way cool.
He does:
Kris' Splicing Vehicle and ATV Amsteel Blue Winch Lines
Allright, I got woytovich's rope today. In my opinion it is SK60. Early version of Dyneema that in 7/16 carries an average strength of around 18,000 and a minimum of 16,000. It definetly is not Amsteel Blue. It does melt like the Amsteel Blue I have, but its got a different hand than the SK75 and is woven much looser. Onto the pics...
On top is some 7/16 Amsteel Blue, on the bottom is woy's rope...
Opened up....
And onto the splice. Not sure whats going on here. Ive never seen anything quite like it. It looks as if its a cross bewteen a tuck/bury splice and a plain bury with a whipped throat. With a twist.....
Here you see the strands had been seperated and then re-braided. This was also done at the base of the whipping.
Here you can see some weaving going on. This is where I pulled the bury out. Above it Im not sure how to describe it...
It also looks as if the seller crimped the thimble onto the eye.... I did manage to pull it out, but it wasnt easy...
From left to right... The thimble that was on the rope, a 3/8 heavy duty thimble, a 3/8 extra heavy thimble...
And finally, this is a full shot of the splice as I received it....
I would reccomend if you have rope from this seller that you stop using it until it has been correctly spliced and the thimble replaced if yours has been crimped like this one was. Other than that I think its safe to use.
On top is some 7/16 Amsteel Blue, on the bottom is woy's rope...
Opened up....
And onto the splice. Not sure whats going on here. Ive never seen anything quite like it. It looks as if its a cross bewteen a tuck/bury splice and a plain bury with a whipped throat. With a twist.....
Here you see the strands had been seperated and then re-braided. This was also done at the base of the whipping.
Here you can see some weaving going on. This is where I pulled the bury out. Above it Im not sure how to describe it...
It also looks as if the seller crimped the thimble onto the eye.... I did manage to pull it out, but it wasnt easy...
From left to right... The thimble that was on the rope, a 3/8 heavy duty thimble, a 3/8 extra heavy thimble...
And finally, this is a full shot of the splice as I received it....
I would reccomend if you have rope from this seller that you stop using it until it has been correctly spliced and the thimble replaced if yours has been crimped like this one was. Other than that I think its safe to use.
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Kris,
Thanks SO much for taking the time and care to help me out with this. You are truly one on the good ones.
I do wish I had the ways & means to get the seller to do the right thing and take this back but now with your input and reweaving I at least don't feel like I have to keep this rope on the shelf, afraid to use it.
By the way: When I spoke with Shane (the seller) on the phone the last thing he said was: "I'm not Walmart, I don't take returns." Then he hung up on me.
Mark
Thanks SO much for taking the time and care to help me out with this. You are truly one on the good ones.
I do wish I had the ways & means to get the seller to do the right thing and take this back but now with your input and reweaving I at least don't feel like I have to keep this rope on the shelf, afraid to use it.
By the way: When I spoke with Shane (the seller) on the phone the last thing he said was: "I'm not Walmart, I don't take returns." Then he hung up on me.
Mark
It's really no problem. A good example of buyer beware.