Adive Needed please - Do you LOVE your 200?

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@TeCKis300 is right. The LX is soooo much better as a "driver's car" - handles flat, little body roll, little to no brake dive, corners great, etc. The LC feels completely static whereas the LX feels very dynamic and is quite fun to drive actually. I have both - the LX wins hands down every time for driving and handling better on road, not even close. Stock for stock the LX is better off road too, so whoever thinks the LC is a better drivers car hasn't owned them both.

You do need to change the tires on the LX to a D rated at minimum, but I have E rated KO2s and it's a perfect tire for it IMO. Who cares about changing tires from stock though - you have to do that on virtually any vehicle you buy if you want to extract performance out of it.

Totally agree with the above about how the LX drives. I’ve driven a couple LXs—including the Slee’s built shop LX with front/rrar-bumpers, etc...when I was there for the heavy part of my own LC build. Not off-road, but enough to gather that it’s driving feel is just fine.

*Pay extra attention to comparisons made by @mcgaskins . He’s owned and wheeled more built & stock 570 and 200s than I can keep track of. :)
 
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There's not a lot of feedback through the steering as would be expected in such a large vehicle, but it corners flat. It brakes without dive. What's surprising is the amount of traction from the front axle.

This is what I was referring to. I do think someday I will buy an LX to end my debate about it. I have driven them 10+ times and I prefer all the luxurious amenities personally. I also love the idea of being able to hack the height control. IMO AHC costs the same as an aftermarket suspension over time so there is no debate there.
 
The primary reason I went LC over LX is I tend to build things, even when I don't plan to initially. The LC, at least so far, gives you more options. At the top of the list of what I'd want to do to mine (should I take the step of modding suspension) is long-arm suspension from a Tundra to gain three inches of track width, and there so far isn't a way to do this with the LX.

I'm going to keep this vehicle long enough for the price difference between the two to get lost in the noise.. AND I'm assuming at least some price difference will remain if I ever sell/total it.

All of that said, I agree with most here. If you are going to leave it mostly stock or want a very mild lift, LX and some 17s or 18s is probably the better choice. If you plan to build it, or have a propensity to do so to your vehicles, LC gives you more options. And looks better...
 
The primary reason I went LC over LX is I tend to build things, even when I don't plan to initially. The LC, at least so far, gives you more options. At the top of the list of what I'd want to do to mine (should I take the step of modding suspension) is long-arm suspension from a Tundra to gain three inches of track width, and there so far isn't a way to do this with the LX.

That's actually not true. My buddy who just bought a 2011 LX did the Tundra swap recently - Tundra axles, tie rods, Tundra Icon UCAs and LCAs, etc. and kept the AHC. The only mod he had to do was weld on a couple brackets to the control arms to keep the AHC happy. Wasn't planning to say anything about it until I had a chance to take some pics and get more details, but it's most definitely possible.
 
That's actually not true. My buddy who just bought a 2011 LX did the Tundra swap recently - Tundra axles, tie rods, Tundra Icon UCAs and LCAs, etc. and kept the AHC. The only mod he had to do was weld on a couple brackets to the control arms to keep the AHC happy. Wasn't planning to say anything about it until I had a chance to take some pics and get more details, but it's most definitely possible.

That is really cool.
It does seem like the the few LX hurdles for sliders, suspension and front bumpers are on the radar of more fab shops.
 
The LX might ride a little nicer, but after 2015 you'd have to throw a tarp over it every night for me to get behind the wheel of that UGLY SOB. :vomit:

I really really love my '15 LC so far, this is my 2nd one. But, sometimes I wish I had something smaller and less thirsty as a DD. I'm a little ashamed that I teach classes promoting green building, energy management, reducing your carbon footprint, blah blah blah, and yet I pilot a gas guzzling barge to campus every day. The IS250C is coming off CPO this Spring, it will get swapped out for something at that point, I haven't decided yet.
 
That's actually not true. My buddy who just bought a 2011 LX did the Tundra swap recently - Tundra axles, tie rods, Tundra Icon UCAs and LCAs, etc. and kept the AHC. The only mod he had to do was weld on a couple brackets to the control arms to keep the AHC happy. Wasn't planning to say anything about it until I had a chance to take some pics and get more details, but it's most definitely possible.

Interesting.

Is there any way to see what pressures the AHC system is having to use to make up for the increased leverage of the arm? or did Toyota not only lengthen the arm but move the lower shock mount outward as well to maintain the same involved forces?
 
@mcgaskins , that's awesome to have confirmed. I've looked closely underneath and have often considered it as the Tundra take-offs are everywhere on craigslist. Combine that with a nice Tundra caliper upgrade. And I have a welder... Just can't justify the mod for myself at the moment even though it'd be a fun project.

Is there any way to see what pressures the AHC system is having to use to make up for the increased leverage of the arm? or did Toyota not only lengthen the arm but move the lower shock mount outward as well to maintain the same involved forces?

It's a non-issue and a relatively simple solution. The AHC springs can be swapped out and/or augmented with spacers just like an LC can. The LC leveling spacers would be an easy solution here too. To further extend droop travel, but also to reduce AHC pressures on account of the increased lever arm. AHC on the 200-series has proven to have lots of robustness for more loads without any upgrades. Let's not forget it also has a built in secondary firmer spring rate that can be called on dynamically.

Separately, both LC and LX are awesome. No surprise as they are both fundamentally 200-series Land Cruisers. Different approach and takes on the same thing. There's no need to be dismissive of the LX on account of it's a "Lexus", I like to build things and can't blah blah...because that's outright BS. Like what you like. Others may like it differently, even if that might be the newer Lexus maw.
 
Thank you all of you!!! So I think I have narrowed it to 3 vehicles. A 2008 LX570 black on grey with 119,000 miles for 26k or a 2011 lx570 silver / black with 160,000 miles for 26k or a 2008 LC red / Grey with 168,000 for 23 k , the black one is super clean and low miles, but it is hot here in the desert during the summer, black cars suck for that. The silver 2011 was supposedly sold new in 2012 but has the old nose and no heated steering wheel which were supposed to be 2011 changes. The red LC just looks cool. And leaves a couple grand for wheels and tires out of the gate .

Any thoughts.?
 
Thank you all of you!!! So I think I have narrowed it to 3 vehicles. A 2008 LX570 black on grey with 119,000 miles for 26k or a 2011 lx570 silver / black with 160,000 miles for 26k or a 2008 LC red / Grey with 168,000 for 23 k , the black one is super clean and low miles, but it is hot here in the desert during the summer, black cars suck for that. The silver 2011 was supposedly sold new in 2012 but has the old nose and no heated steering wheel which were supposed to be 2011 changes. The red LC just looks cool. And leaves a couple grand for wheels and tires out of the gate .

Any thoughts.?

To me, choosing between those three is really straight forward:
Assuming all 3 were equally cared for...and you don’t have a hang up about color...

*Lowest miles wins.

-For a mere $3k, choice 1 gives you a whopping 41,000 undriven miles before it catches up to the one with 160k.

That is a really CHEAP price for 41k free miles that YOU get to put on it.

Put another way:
41k miles AFTER this purchase...
-one truck will be at just 160k
-The other will hit 201,000...!

**41k miles from now...it will feel entirely worth the extra $3k to be at just 160k. :)
 
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I agree with markuson.

Invest in the best tint you can get, clay-bar it then keep good polish on the paint, and buy a UVS-100 sunshield (best in the business) to help with heat from the front glass when parked. Also have a look at the top of the radiator and check for a hairline crack forming at the front edge of the flat area with a sticker on top. Many of these have this issue at those miles. If these are at dealers and you catch it now they may be willing to fix it for you, or at least provide a radiator.

Side note: if you want to wade into a s***-storm ask whether you can run RUG in your new LX.

Hint: the manual says not to, but the engine is the same compression ratio as a RUG-drinking LC and doesn't make a significant difference in power to suggest anything different about tuning. BUT, despite users putting hundreds of thousands of RUG miles on their LX without issue, the manual says "premium only".. (I can hear Teckis having a stroke from here)

There's no need to be dismissive of the LX on account of it's a "Lexus", I like to build things and can't blah blah...because that's outright BS. Like what you like. Others may like it differently, even if that might be the newer Lexus maw.

I think you are taking your job as the last defender of AHC/premium gas in LXs a bit too seriously, again.

When I bought my 200-series cruiser only a couple people had put tundra arms on one; no one was talking about it on a LX yet. There weren't good slider options, yet. The available bumper options were even worse than they are now. And while it was reasonable to assume these products would be introduced and improved like every other platform that gains popularity in this industry, I wasn't willing to bet the purchase of a vehicle on it. AND there was the long-arm issue at the time. Or the possibility I'd lift it more than a sensor-lift allows. Or I'd want some ridiculously expensive bypass shocks because I move to the desert.

It's pretty ironic you harp on people about admitting they like what they like, when you are so absolutist on the utter dominance of AHC.

And what if I like less complexity?

All of that said.. I asked about pressures because depending on what toyota did with the lower shock mount location on tundra arms, more pressure may not actually be needed. But, in the event pressures didn't go up, you probably aren't gaining much travel if any. And yes this would apply to cruisers too, with their more traditional coilover shock. However going the other direction, if the shock location stayed the same in relation to the inner pivot point and the arm got 1.5" longer, pressures may be above what is ideal. I'm just asking if this data is available through the CANBUS or other data streams.
 
Have had my LX for roughly 6 weeks and absolutely love it. Phenomenal SUV.

I'll +1 to go for the lowest mileage option.
 
I have a LX570 with 17" Rock Warriors and D-rated TA KO2s. The gas mileage is horrible and the infotainment is laughable. But I wouldn't trade it for anything in the world. The AHC is great and the interior on the LX models is very very nice. Unless you're going to go to 35" or bigger tires with a real lift, I think the LX is the one to have - it's uglier, but the pricing is very favorable.
 
I think you are taking your job as the last defender of AHC/premium gas in LXs a bit too seriously, again.

When I bought my 200-series cruiser only a couple people had put tundra arms on one; no one was talking about it on a LX yet. There weren't good slider options, yet. The available bumper options were even worse than they are now. And while it was reasonable to assume these products would be introduced and improved like every other platform that gains popularity in this industry, I wasn't willing to bet the purchase of a vehicle on it. AND there was the long-arm issue at the time. Or the possibility I'd lift it more than a sensor-lift allows. Or I'd want some ridiculously expensive bypass shocks because I move to the desert.

It's pretty ironic you harp on people about admitting they like what they like, when you are so absolutist on the utter dominance of AHC.

And what if I like less complexity?

All of that said.. I asked about pressures because depending on what toyota did with the lower shock mount location on tundra arms, more pressure may not actually be needed. But, in the event pressures didn't go up, you probably aren't gaining much travel if any. And yes this would apply to cruisers too, with their more traditional coilover shock. However going the other direction, if the shock location stayed the same in relation to the inner pivot point and the arm got 1.5" longer, pressures may be above what is ideal. I'm just asking if this data is available through the CANBUS or other data streams.

All fair points. The 200-series forum was in a lamentable state not too long ago in regards to factual understanding of the LX and AHC. It wasn't too long ago, and still to this day, that people suggest that the LX cannot be modified. Or will break the moment it goes off-road. I'm not here to sell anyone on it. Only to foster objective understanding. This is a technical forum after all. Sure, factual knowledge is a bitch sometimes, especially when it disagrees with anecdotal stories that are convenient to relate to.
 
The prettiest is 1995 through 1997 FZJ80 series. Next is the 100 series. Next is the 2013 through 2015 LX 570. Next is the 2016 through current model Land Cruiser just my humble opinion ;)

Aw gee... 2008 didn’t even make last place on your pretty list... 😢
Here is my fugly 2008 year... :hillbilly:
It grew on me after it put on a little weight... hehe

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I do have to admit that I hated its stock looks back in 2007 when they first came out... (Found myself guessing Highlander(?) from a distance every time I saw one at first)

Since those early days in 2007 though, I’ve decided it’s bee-Yoo-tee-ful...
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Aw gee... 2008 didn’t even make last place on your pretty list... 😢
Here is my fugly 2008 year... :hillbilly:
It grew on me after it out on a little weight... hehe

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I do have to admit that I hated its stock looks back in 2007 when they first came out... (Found myself guessing Highlander(?) from a distance every time I saw one at first)

Since those early days in 2007 though, I’ve decided it’s bee-Yoo-tee-ful...
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But yours now has a handsome face ;)
 
Love it. And hate it. Will likely get a GX when they give it more power and tech. LC is a tad too big for me.
 
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