33* off-camber? Don't recommend it, but...

This site may earn a commission from merchant affiliate
links, including eBay, Amazon, Skimlinks, and others.

Joined
May 26, 2005
Threads
95
Messages
8,398
Location
Phoenix
Website
www.tralaz.org
Someone was asking what amount of off-camber an 80 could survive before going over. I now know 33* is possible. I also know what my underwear taste like after having them come up at the back of my throat. http://www.arizona4wheeling.com/ has a pic, if you're curious what 33* looks like, six rows down and 3 pics over. I had an angle finder on the instrument cluster bezel lower lip for the measurement. This is on a Slee 6" lift with 35" tires, stock wheels with no spacers.

In the second set of photos on that site, a couple of the last pics show me in an even dumber position, probably the same amount of off-camber (I was too scared to measure) up on the side of a hill. For reference, the photographer was below my level, and looking in the sunroof...

-Spike
 
Last edited:
Dude, you're crazy.
 
Nice amigo--I did something along those lines in the river a few weeks back--had water in the passenger side from being so tipped--felt like we were going over for sure. Where did your rear bumper come from?
 
SR.GRINGO said:
Where did your rear bumper come from?

My garage. Still needs a couple of swing arms for the tire and jerry cans. Got tired of scooping dirt with the stock rear frame crossmember, so I cut off about 4" of the rear frame, closed the frame ends via plates w/ capture nuts and bolted on a 2"x5" x .250" piece of rectangular tube after angling and closing both ends. I still manage to drag the thing on some spots, but then I really don't belong in those spots anyway. :D

-Spike
 
Wow, that's amazing - moreso with the lift.

I was on AM General's factory test loop in a Hummer at 30 degrees and it felt scary at first. Then I did some jiggling, start/stop etc and felt better about the stability. But I wouldn't have taken even my stock 80 on that side slope.

Wild. If the photographer's camera was accurately straight up and down, it honestly looks like you're well beyond 33 degrees. From the looks of it, a person could walk up and pull the truck over.

DougM
 
IdahoDoug said:
From the looks of it, a person could walk up and pull the truck over.

I just played with the photo in photoshop and rotated it 42 degrees and this is what I got:

tilt.jpg


:eek:
 
That's what I thought - the inclinometer must have stuck!!

DougM
 
1st set doesn't look bad at all because if it did go, even though it doesn't look close, all you're going to do is softly lay over against the berm. Not downplaying it, just know from doing that stuff myself.

How'd you end up in the situation in the 2nd set? Would appear if you merely turned the front tires right you'd be fine. Were you intentionally trying to traverse it or what am I missing?
 
Very nice spike!!!! I guess you just proved my point to the bonehead that came to the meet last week and stated that I couldn't wheel where he does because I would roll my cruiser being up "that" high with those stupid slee 6" lifts that are all for show!?!?!
 
I had my old Pathfinder over that far in Bonanza Gulch at Holister a few years ago. It felt really bad and that truck only had 2" of lift and 31" tires. I would have never have had the truck that far over but had no choice but to either take that line, or try and straddle the rut and drop in. Given others had taken that line without tipping, it seemed the most prudent way.
 
IdahoDoug said:
If the photographer's camera was accurately straight up and down, it honestly looks like you're well beyond 33 degrees. From the looks of it, a person could walk up and pull the truck over.

DougM

The photog might have imbellished the angle, the protractor gave me a solid 33*. I had an adult passenger and a 10 year old in the rear passenger-side. They both wanted to touch the ground, when they did the truck rocked. The boy's father (in the truck ahead of us) quickly gave the amusement ride speech (All hands and feet INSIDE the vehicle).

Junk said:
1st set doesn't look bad at all because if it did go, even though it doesn't look close, all you're going to do is softly lay over against the berm. Not downplaying it, just know from doing that stuff myself.

How'd you end up in the situation in the 2nd set? Would appear if you merely turned the front tires right you'd be fine. Were you intentionally trying to traverse it or what am I missing?

In the first set, I knew I couldn't really hurt myself and wanted to get a feeling for a known amount of off-camber. I didn't realize it would end up being quite that off-camber, but I accomplished what I intended- now I know 33* is pretty much the limit, and what it looks like before actually being in it.

The second set of pics was just dumb. I saw a really steep hillclimb, so I went up it, thinking I would back down. I got to the top and the group watching suggested (taunted) that I turn right and traverse the ridge. They couldn't see that the other side of the ridge was a cliff. I took the challenge (with my wife laying down on the back seat), and made the 3 point right turn to line up along the ridge. At that point there was no turning back. The path was more tilted than I thought, and barely wide enough. Just to the right the angle actually increased, which is hard to see in the pic (you can see that the dirt changes texture there, where runoff has eroded it- it was probably past 40* there), and the hill was probably 30 feet high. I creeped along, figuring if I started to slide I'd crank the wheel right and gun it. The wife at this point is noticing she's sliding into the passenger door head-first and starts moving around (why I have passengers in these situations I don't know). I was able to follow the ridge to a place where the angle on my right wasn't quite as steep before the truck started sliding and I had to gun it. It was a religious experience.

clownmidget said:
Are your springs retained?

Yeah, by the shocks. I don't think the axles can articulate enough to require spring retention due to the shock length. Nothing else though.

Clarkrw3, I saw you on the Crown King run (I was in the purple Nissan at the time), you were planning a diesel swap. How's that going? Haven't seen you on a trail since, figured you might be wrenching on that thing.

-Spike
 
that's not 33 degrees. Remember that the x axis will effect the y-axis. I have been that far over many times in my old truck, and I would equate that to 40-45 degrees. A well balanced 6k rig should pull 42 degrees with no problem. However, your spincter may not :eek:
 
Not sure what you mean, are you talking about the ditch pic? If so, there was only one axis, it was a relatively level landscape. As for well-balanced, with 600 lbs of passengers and ~400 lbs of cargo all above the centerline on a 6" lifted stock-width truck- let's just say it wasn't my idea of ideal. I was a bit lighter for the hillside pics, but the spincter factor was definitely tighter!

-Spike
 
well, the estimating by rotating the photo will only work if the photo is taken "horizontally" to start with.
 
e9999 said:
well, the estimating by rotating the photo will only work if the photo is taken "horizontally" to start with.

Exactly, but you gotta assume something somewhere in this case. From the background, the photo does look pretty level, but I could be mistaken.
 
Back
Top Bottom