using wheel spacer adapter to change lug pattern?

[slosurfer]

Hi, I have a M416 trailer that I have slowly been fixing up. I got it all road worthy now I just need to start making mods for it. I have a set of wheel spacer adapters that change the lug pattern to the same as my runner. I was wondering if any one on here has tried these yet, and what their experience was? I tried searching but could only find info on switching out the hub assembly. Thanks,
Chris

[wngrog]

Originally Posted by slosurfer

Hi, I have a M416 trailer that I have slowly been fixing up. I got it all road worthy now I just need to start making mods for it. I have a set of wheel spacer adapters that change the lug pattern to the same as my runner. I was wondering if any one on here has tried these yet, and what their experience was? I tried searching but could only find info on switching out the hub assembly. Thanks,
Chris

I just ordered a set of adapters for my M101CA trailer to 100 series wheels from Wheeladapter.com.

I have not gotten them in yet, but this will be the first place I post the info when I get them and if they are right I will let you know.

[Arya Ebrahimi]

I don't see you having a problem with them. Jeep guys use them all the time when swapping different axles under their trucks w/o issue.

The key to an aluminum adapter/spacer is to retorque everything after the first 100 miles. Yes, that means pulling the wheels off to get to the spacer's nuts, but once you do that, you shouldn't have to mess with them again.

[slosurfer]

Thanks for the responses,
wngrog, were the one's that you ordered a two piece design? I tried wheeladapter.com a few times to get quotes and they never got back to me. I got these from someone on Pirate he had only test fitted them but never used them.




There are no instructions with them. I had heard to use red loctite and torque them to 100 ft. lbs. Does this sound right? I know many guys run spacers and stuff on different rigs, but I haven't found too much info on the two piece design. thanks,

[slosurfer]

I started to test fit these earlier tonight, but the studs on the trailer are too long. I will have to trim them a little bit, but I was running out of daylight. Between this spacer , old sr5 alloy wheels, and 10.5 in. wheels I will end up quite a bit wider than now. Here's a pic of how it sits now. the trailer's not pretty but for 300 bucks I am not complaining. I have already towed it all the way back to Northern Minnessota, and a couple of other camping trips.

[wngrog]

Mine are 1 pc. I had to call the old man a few times at Wheeladapter, but once we finally connected he had the adapters out in 2 days.

Nice, nice adapters. I will post pics tomorrow hopefully.

[slosurfer]

I was playing around with my adapters again today. They are a two piece design and when I put the first piece on the lug nuts stick out a little. Therefore the second piece that changes the bolt pattern won't sit flush. Here is a pic w/ the first piece on


Is there anyway to cut the lugs shorter? I know w/ normal bolts you just leave the nut on there and cut them so that you don't mess the threads up. I wasn't sure if you could do this with wheel studs or not. Here's a pic with the other piece on


One more thing, I was wondering if you all thought that this tire sticks out too much?


Thanks for all your help,

[wngrog]

I have cut lugs down before. I twisted the lug nut down to the base of the lug......then chocked the whole thing in the vice. I took the portaband and cut 1/4" off the lugs and when I took the lug nut off the lug it fixed the threads where I boogered them up from cutting the lug bolt.

My tires stick out that far and I do not plan on widening the fenders at this time.

[slosurfer]

Thanks, that is what I thought I would do, just wanted to make sure.

[brownbear]

I think there are two factors that put the wheel out that far. One the spacer, second the rim. As the rim will have a shorter depth to it.

Look at the M101 stock rim and you see the flange is almost at the edge of the wheel.

So any rim will be sticking out.

I think the adapters is an ok idea, but I would extend the fender somehow.

But another thought is the hub replacement is going to be almost the same price as the adapters. So really it makes you think what direction you want to go.

The extra width on the trailer will make it more stable if you go to a SOA set up. So that is ok.

I want to run 235/85R16 tires on landcruiser rims, Which I have on my 60. So one spare works for all.

In a few months my like new conditions tires and rims will be for sale. At least I think so..

[wearsabrowncoat]

Slosurfer, how thick are the adapters? I found some 2" adapters and was wondering if I would run into the same problem as you.

[SOCALFJ]

Slosurfer, Im having my made by Motorsports Technology in Colton, CA. Adventure trailer recommnended them because they use them and said they have never had a problem with their adapters. The adapter they're making for our application is a 2piece unit also. It measures 1.9" thick, made out of 6061-T6 and it sells for $90.00 pair. Apparently they have to be 2piece because we're going from 5 on 4.5 bolt pattern to Yota 6 lug. It's nearly impossible to do it without making 2 pieces because of the bolt patterns being close together. I plan on going the adapter route here soon as well and i dont see a problem with it being it on the trailer and not on the rig. Just have to re-tighten them a while after running them. Keep us posted on your project and how the spacers go.

[wearsabrowncoat]

$90 is a good price and I will order from them but I though the M416 lug pattern was 5 on 5.5 to Toyota 6 on 5.5.

By the way, what is the contact info for Motorsports?

[slosurfer]

Originally Posted by wearsabrowncoat

Slosurfer, how thick are the adapters? I found some 2" adapters and was wondering if I would run into the same problem as you.

I haven't mounted them so I will have to go find them in the garage and measure them for ya. I don't think it will be a big deal to trim the studs down for them to work, I would rather do that then have wider adapters.

I am still on the fence on useing them for a couple reasons:

1. Now that it is used with my 4runner and our '07 Tacoma, I would have to go with some 16in. rims that would work with the 4runner and Taco, not to mention deciding what size tires to go with. (Taco has 31's and 4runner has 33's)

2. I really like the tires that I have on there now.

3. Right now, I dedided it is most versatile to keep what I have on there, and carry its own spare. When there is more in the budget to work on the trailer and make it pretty, I will probably end up using them.


SOCALFJ, thanks for the heads up, as I had a hard time finding where to get these and they were either really expensive or couldn't be found. I just lucked out to snag them when someone decided to not use them. Ditto on contact info so I can add that info into my build, as I'm also listing where to obtain parts. Thanks

Also, here's a link to my build:
SLO going M416 Build

[wearsabrowncoat]

Slosurfer, pm me if you can bare to part with the adapters. I'll give you a good deal on a pair of M417 wheels/ tires.

[slosurfer]

Originally Posted by wearsabrowncoat

Slosurfer, pm me if you can bare to part with the adapters. I'll give you a good deal on a pair of M417 wheels/ tires.

Hehe, I think I'm keeping them for now, but I'll pm you if I decide otherwise. Although, I have plenty of m416 wheels and tires.

[SOCALFJ]

I just have their phone number.. forgot the guys name over there.

909-514-0091

Originally Posted by wearsabrowncoat

$90 is a good price and I will order from them but I though the M416 lug pattern was 5 on 5.5 to Toyota 6 on 5.5.

I was referring to our adventure trailers bolt pattern. Ours is late model jeep 5 on 4.5. They'll make anything you want. Like 2 day turn around.

[cruzzer]

For a couple $ more than the cost of the adapters why not just get a new axle with hubs? They can be had for about $90 plus shipping without drums and I've seen them for $120 with the electric brake hookup,, oh,, 3500# axle.. That way you don't have the tires sticking out too far and adapters to worry about.. Also if you go electric those brakes come in real handy going down hills on and off-road!
Steve

[SOCALFJ]

Typo: The adapters are $90 each. Not $90 a pair.

Cruzzer, i already thought about getting new hubs for our setup.. But ours is a 3500# torsion setup with electric brakes already, plus i would need to press in new studs and press out the old. Also, with my stock 4.5" backspacing the tire would be sunk in way too far in the wheel well. For our application, the adapter will be perfect solution.

[slosurfer]

Originally Posted by SOCALFJ

Typo: The adapters are $90 each. Not $90 a pair.

That sounds more like it. That is still a really good price for them. I've seen them for $300+ for a pair of two piece adapters.

[SOCALFJ]

They're making them now and they'll personally deliver them by the end of the week hopefully. I will shoot pics of them and the install as soon as i get the stuff in.

[SOCALFJ]

Also, found their website.

Wheel Adapters | Motorsport Technology

[Brian in Oregon]

Originally Posted by slosurfer

One more thing, I was wondering if you all thought that this tire sticks out too much?

That depends on your state motor vehicles department. In Oregon, it's unlawful for the tire to stick out past the edge of the fender.

[SOCALFJ]

Same here too, but it depends if they enforce it or not. Kind of like window tinting. Everyone has it but it's illegal here on our front driver/passenger side windows.

[slosurfer]

Socal, do you have any pics of your adapters? How did the install go? Did you use loctite or antiseize at all?

[zach0315]

I just put a set of adapters on my M416 to change the BP to 5 on 4.5. The hole in he center is 87mm and it sits on the edge of the dust cover on the axle, not flush on the drum. Has anyone else had this problem? The bolted down true and didn't wobble at all. I would just like them to sit flush.


zach0315

[REZARF]

bud, for safety, I would have them turned at a shop, doesn't seem like you need much but take both the spacer and the hub to them and have the peace of mind that comes from doing it right and safe. It really shouldn't cost much, it is a simple turn on a lathe.

Hope that helps man.

Rezarf <><

[zach0315]

I just took my wheels off and both and both spacers are cracked! I just emailed a guy that makes custom wheel spacers. He is going to make me a 2 piece adapter with a 4" center hole to clear the center cap. Kinda like the ones in the first post of this post. I want them to sit flush against the drum.


zach0315