project~45

[HJ45lw]

Hi all, Another newbee! After owning my 82 40 since 84 the time has come for me to take on a chalinge and not wanting to tear up the 40 being all stock & oe I will be getting a 83 45lw in two weeks } . I am pretty excited about what I had found, This truck comes with ff rear end, power stearing & compound low 4 speed. } On the down side all the sheet metal is rusted out {:-( I cant site in it with out falling through the floor but the fram looked to be cancer free and the up side to this is all replacement body parts comes with the deal. So this will be a fram off project as you can see but what makes this a challinge to me is that I am working with Sheldon at G&S to drop in a 12H-T & 5 speed ( if 4cyl. is good then 6cyl. must be better ) full A/C set up donated by same cruiser as the motor. As time goes by I will be asking for tips and help from you and it seems that this is a good place for that. My first two questions are to keep the compouned low 4 speed in this set up or the 5 speed? I will be making a utility bed for it to keep camping gear & other needed things locked up. I know the bed is 7' long but how wide is it?? I can deffer from this but I want to know to get a idea for it now and start drawing up plans for it and not wate two weeks for this. Thanks for all comments and help. Brian

 

[NStimac]

Project 45

This is going to sound like a lame answer but it depends what you want to do with it. Is this going to used on the long distance highway trips or mostly trails? I personally love my H55F. Plus the 5 speed would probably make the swap a little easier. Check out the RPM tables here http://www.tlca.org/trails/techxchg/rpmtbls/index.html
if you havn't already. If I am reading you right you kinda like the idea compouned low 4 speed then I think you should stick with it. I have always liked the look of the 45's but not as much as I like the 70's Take and post pics as you go and good luck!!!

 

[beanz2]

Congrats on the find, but what is a 45LW? Do you mean 45LV, a troopie or a 45 LP, a pick up? The AC off the HJ61 will not easily fit into the 45 unless you are referring to just the compressor and the dryer. The condenser and the evaporator are very different. You need to figure out a parking brake if you use the 12H-T and H55. G&S can supply you with a FF rear axle off a 70 series that will have the parking brake in the rear axle, or you can buy a parking brake kit for the split transfer case. SOR has a complete 45LP (or 45RP?) tub if you need one. Got pics?

Dave

 

[HJ45lw]

Thanks for the tlca page NStinac. I do want it more for the trails then the highways but there is alot of highway between point A & point B so they both have there good points. After looking at your question I will keep the 4 speed in the truck and put the 5 speed in the 40 where it needs help in the mpg department. It is a long wheel base p.u. so is this a 45lp? if not what is it ?? Marve is who I am getting it from and he is tossing in the tub, fenders, metal roof & other body parts to finish it but I do thank you Dave for your sugestion to use sor. I will be paying the cost of the motor plus $500 for complet A/C and I would not mind this if it fits, my other choice that I saw was a kit for $1,000. The motor comes with the pump and what ever else is on it so maybe I will save the $500 and put it to the kit instead. Sheldon gave me the e-mail of some one that just finished doing the same A/C install into a 45lv I'll ask him what his thoughts are after doing one. As far as photos I will be posting them as I go & as long as any one wants to see them . Brian

 

[Stickboy]

Pics?
Pics?
Pics?

 

[HJ45lw]

The pics will start comming in a few days when I get the truck. } This is a 83 so wont the parking braks be on the rear tires instead of the previus locations? Brian

 

[cruiseroutfit]

What tranny does it have?

 

[HJ45lw]

I do not know at this time. It is from the middle east (Chad or some where) if this makes a diferance. It still has the photo of their prince stuck on the rear window Brian

 

[beanz2]

It is a long wheel base p.u. so is this a 45lp? if not what is it ?? Marve is who I am getting it from and he is tossing in the tub, fenders, metal roof & other body parts to finish it but I do thank you Dave for your sugestion to use sor. I will be paying the cost of the motor plus $500 for complet A/C and I would not mind this if it fits, my other choice that I saw was a kit for $1,000. The motor comes with the pump and what ever else is on it so maybe I will save the $500 and put it to the kit instead.

Yes, it should be an HJ45LP.

Look for a guy on eBay selling his FJ40 AC kit usually for $750 and maybe you can use his evaporator and case for the interior and the evaporator as it is sized for the 40. Having the compressor on the engine sure is a plus though. The AC clutch from the HJ61 is 24V so you will have to find a 12V clutch.

Dave

 

[Landpimp]

yes the parking brake will(should) be on the rear axle not the t-case. Should be similar to your 82 fj40, but it might be a full floater axle

The pics will start comming in a few days when I get the truck. } This is a 83 so wont the parking braks be on the rear tires instead of the previus locations? Brian

 

[HJ45lw]

I will be going to get the truck this week I just need to pick the day & tell my boss I will be missing some work. I looked under the truck and it seems that this one has the parking brake on the t-case. Lets see if I can post a photo here.

 

[theSherpa]

If that's a stock Toyota transmission (sounds like it is, since it's from the Middle East), then the "compound low" should be very close to the first gear of the H55F five-speed, about 4.8 or 4.9:1. Just wanted to make sure you realized that using the H55F wouldn't mean giving up any reduction (for trail use) compared to the 4-speed that's in it (given that it's the H41 4.8x:1 first-gear 4-speed). U.S. issue (among others) H42 4-speeds are 3.55:1 in first, which is a big difference from the H55F. I have an H55F in my FJ60, and I really like the ~30% reduction in first gear compared to the H42 it came with. HTH

Steve

 

[HJ45lw]

Thanks every one for your input. Steve I was comcerned about the h55 lacking on the trail thinking it would be better suited for the hiway but it looks like a good trani for the trail & hiway. Now for the parking break problim. Is there a chep fix like just installing it on to the h55? other wise I can install the h1 & Ff from the truck in to my 40 and install the Sf from the 40 in to the truck or I can get the 70 Ff with cable lockers from Sheldon Any one out there with some other thoughts.

 

[theSherpa]

if your 45 has a split transfer case (seems like it should, in '83), it should bolt right up to an H55F (perhaps needing the little plastic 5th-gear oiler cup installed on the front of the transfer case)...and if it already has a transfer-mounted ebrake, no changes, and if as Pimp said (and I believe to be true) it has axle-mounted ebrakes, then again no changes. only if installing an H55F forced you to REPLACE your (ebraked) transfer case might you need to worry about ebrakes, but I'll bet they're on the axle...

am I missing something?

Steve

 

[beanz2]

This is kind of complicated, but I think this is how it goes:

8/80+ 40/42/43 = park brake in rear axle = no t-case parking brake
8/80+ 45/47 cab chassis = as above
45/47 troopie or pick up= no park brake on axle = t-case parking brake

Somebody else asked here the difference between the HJ45 and HJ47 but I can't find the thread. HJ45 = H 3.6L diesel, HJ47 = 2H 3.9L diesel.

Dave

 

[theSherpa]

thanks, Dave...so HJ45lw, if you want to make some decisions now, you'll want to ask Marv if the truck has an H41 4-speed (sounds like it), and if it has a split transfer case (seems like it should). If it's a split case, you'll be able to install an H55F, though it it might take adaptation, as your 4-speed will be short. Search here, the Pirate 4x4 Landcruiser board (www.pirate4x4.com) and the Land Cruiser Mailing List (LCML) archives at www.birfield.com and the web for people who've installed H55F's in FJ40's and pre-'85 FJ60's. 4/85 and later FJ60's had a long version of the H42 4-speed which makes an H55F install a near-bolt in, but for you it'll be a few inches longer, which implies some monkeying around with driveshafts and tranny/transfer crossmember mount. It's been done...

 

[beanz2]

HJ45lw, you might luck out. The H55f started in 10/82 in some countries and the T-case may have the oiler relief for the 5 speed. But if I were you, get the size of tires you want on it first and see if you still need an overdrive. With the H41 you may be happy with the gearing as it is.

I drove mustardfj40's rig with an H41, 4.11 diffs and 32" tires and IMO on the highway it wasn't too bad. With 33" tires it would be nice. The gap between 1st and 2nd is a big one though.

Dave

 

[HJ45lw]

The first stage for my project was started yesturday when I brought home the truck. It even ran and I did not fall through the floor like I first thought when I saw it for the first time. I will now try to post a shot of it here.truck 003.1low[img]
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[Radd Cruisers]

Did it have the H55 and it looks like a pretty darn good base to start a build on.

 

[HJ45lw]

Sorry for not replying to your replys sooner but it seems that I can not get my letters to get posted most of the time. Oh well just another one of my chalinges I gues. Thanks for the other sights to go to and read up on. Can the parking break mounted on the t-case be transferd from one t-case to another or is the shaft comming out the back of the case bult with a non removable flange so depending on what t-case one has will deturmin if it will have this type of break or not?