Fire in Alabama, rebuilt truck, won't start, cranks, got spark, got fuel, WTF?

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Folks --

I own a '96 cruiser. I was driving through Alabama in April when I was stopped by a State Trooper who searched my car for drugs (and drug money, which is what he was really after -- they keep the drug money). This was in "rural Tuscaloosa". The trooper said I "touched a white line", and gave me a written warning for an "Improper Lane Usage" violation. Then he changed his story and said he was just making sure I wasn't sleepy. I was returning to NYC after a month long road trip down the East Coast, via the Outer Banks, my folks house in Florida, and finally New Orleans. Really, I was pulled over because I was alone with New York plates in Alabama. Totally profiled. Bastards.

I did not talk back or put up any resistance which in hindsight was a bad move -- I was in the deep South and knew I was at these f**kers mercy. While they were searching my car I freaked out on them when they pulled out a bag of tools and were about to rip up my headliner. They had been under the hood of my car as I watched from the front seat of the troopers' car. They put me back on the road without giving me a ticket (just the warning). The next day, in Chattanooga TN, my truck burst into flames on the side of the highway.

After being towed to the Toyota dealer and having it looked at the next day, the cause of the fire was obvious -- there were multiple razor blade slashes in my fuel return hose. My accelerator cable became soaked in gasoline; after it was saturated it eventually made it to distributor cap which burst into flames. I immediately pulled over and tried to smother the flames with two sweatshirts I had in the truck -- I had to do something as I was surrounded by families in minivans at a crowded intersection. Just when I thought all was lost a trucker ran up and put out the fire with an extinguisher.

It doesn't matter how much evidence I have, no lawyer would touch the case (no one was hurt so ambulance chasers can't make money) and you can't fight the "Good Ole' Boys" in Alabamy. Sorry to anyone on this forum who's from the (deep) south but I was raped by these bastards. I understand now why the war on drugs continues -- it means revenue by the Alabama State Mafia who gets points from every dealer they stop:bang:. This bastard was 2009 State Trooper of the year for seizing 1.6 million in cash.

I spent around 4 grand on new parts -- new distributor, new alternator (mean green), new injectors (3 were melted), new battery (my yellow top almost melted through case and exploded), new coil, etc. Engine wire harness and headlight harness totally gone and replaced. I had to replace several connectors in the main cowl wire harness. Windows were rolled down as well -- pretty s***ty situ all around.

I have been at my parents' house in Florida for nearly 2 months now trying to get my rig back on the road. It has 73K miles, is triple locked, so I didn't want to scrap it. I'm finally done putting it back together but it won't start. It cranks and maybe slightly sputtered once or twice, but won't start. I get spark and fuel. Here's what I have verified so far:

1.) EFI relay seems good -- I get CEL light when I turn key.
2.) I get spark from coil, so igniter and coil seem good (brand new coil). No water in coil. No water in distributor cap, distributor is brand new OEM.
3.) Fuel seems OK -- I disconnected fuel return line by fender, behind ABS motor actuator and fuel came out.
4.) No codes seen via OBD.

Here's what I haven't tried yet --

1.) fuel cap was off for 3-4 months as it sat in Florida -- this is because charcoal filter melted and vapor line to tank was leaking into engine bay when fumes built up on hot days here in Florida. We've had tons of rain here in panhandle. I am wondering if fuel is bad?

2.) Could my timing be off? I had to put in new Distributor and followed field service manual procedure to make sure I had TDC and put distributor in with mounting bolt in middle of bracket.

3.) Water in any spark plug tubes? Would this cause issue? Wouldn't I get at least a splutter or two? It just sounds like it just cranks and cranks but doesn't start.

4.) I had to replace throttle position sensor -- other one was melted. Could this be culprit? Is it possibly misadjusted?

5.) I'm not getting a strong fuel smell but I do see fuel in return line when I break the hose. Could it be fuel relay or fuel pump issue?

I've been here 2 months and losing my mind. Sorry if this message is all over the place. I am at end of my rope, mentally and financially. I need to get home ASAP. I haven't worked in 2 months and have spent thousands in savings. Thinking just to drop it off at dealer and have them figure out. Any help greatly appreciated, even if it's just sympathy. Thanks folks. Can give more info if needed. I am losing it.
 
im sorry to hear about the situation your in. are the spark plug wires in the correct order? make certain the dizzy is perfectly lined up. if you suspect the tps sensor, unplug it, the car will still start without that. check for any short circuits, check all your fuses and relays, use the fsm to test everything. check that wiring bundle that runs along the EGR, maybe could be a problem there? i hope my post was helpful.
 
Not going to get any sympathy from me, calling out my state like you are. I love my state, and quite frankly, state police are the same anywhere, just youtube it.
I'm not even sure why you'd be going through "rural Tuscaloosa" given where you were coming from and where you were going... so yeah, he probably found that to be a little odd....

As for help: Call up ACC in Atlanta, them boys can get you going if you can at all...
I woulda said you should have called on the local cruiser folk, we'd LOVE to help you in your time of need. But you seem to hate us and this place so not sure we'd want to assist you at this point.

Sincerely, good luck. I know it sucks to be stranded, I've been there.
 
This is a tough one. Sorry you went through all this.

Being it was a fire and things were cut up it is really hard telling what all has been messed up. Both electrical and fuel related lines and parts either cut or melted or just got too hot from the heat and now inoperable.

Best bet would be to find some local MUD folk to help, have another cruiser to compare it to which would help to see if anything, wires or hoses are just flat out missing. They could have been yanked off or burned/melted off.
 
Im with ky. Find the local club and find a good soul that is willing to play "swap a part" (or at least use the working parts as a base test for ohm readings)


Might want to avoid discussing the why though; seems the thought of a dirty leo ruffles some feathers ;).


Good luck getting it going again. :cheers:

Sent from my Pandora box, ya peckerwoods.
 
To Land Speeder,

Well, I guess my comments did have a bad ring to them. Yeah, the "Alabamy" thing was out of line. So I apologize about that. The thing was, I was having the time of my life up to that point, thinking how beautiful your state was, how much I loved the South, etc. So I do apologize for the tone of my post. I'm pretty heart broken about this.

To muddinmetal, sorry if I ruffled your feathers. As I said above, I suppose my tone was out of line. I'm pretty shocked that folks on this forum can be so hostile, I didn't mean to offend anyone. I was on I65, BTW, which is a straight line from NO to NYC on the map. I could've gotten hurt in the fire, bystanders could have gotten hurt in the fire.

To everyone else, thanks for the help, I'm hoping the truck is not a total write off.
I'll follow your advice. Thanks.
 
Did you contact your insurance carrier to see if your policy (comprehensive) covered the fire??
 
it's ok man... Talking bad about Alabama is like slapping our grandmothers for most of us...

I'd find someone else with a good running cruiser who will let you part them side by side and swap parts. It may not fix anything, but it ,most likely, would quickly narrow down your issues
 
Where, exactly, are you? Or where's your parents house? "The panhandle" of Florida is a large place. Even so, I know folks from Mobile to Ft. Lauderdale...
 
I mean "Land Speeder", not "Land Cruiser". Yeah, the story is nuts, right? I actually do have the sliced hose. We got the fire out very quickly. The evidence was perfectly preserved -- the Toyota Dealers in Chattanooga were the first ones to inspect the truck and asked me, "Was anyone under the hood of your vehicle last night? This hose has been cut in two places with a razor blade." I have the hose sitting on the dash board as a reminder. Trust me, I couldn't even process it after the whole thing happened. All the folks in Tennessee and Georgia who helped me out had bad stories about the Alabama State Troopers. I don't hate anyone in Law Enforcement, just the ones who abuse their power. I wasn't speeding or doing anything wrong, I fully cooperated, and was 100% honest and respectful to the troopers. I was treated pretty badly. It is hard to believe, I know.

I don't have any comprehensive coverage, unfortunately.
 
So where are you like Land Speeder asked?
 
Land Speeder, didn't mean any disrespect to your family. Being a trooper is a tough job, I know that. I know that these guys put their lives on the line every day out there. But the truth is, I was profiled. I was not speeding. I was given a written warning, which is not a ticket. I was not charged with anything. And my truck burst into flames the next day. The first people to look at were certified Toyota mechanics and they pointed out the cause of the fire, which strangely enough, was perfectly preserved due to how fast we got it out. And you're right Land Speeder, the more I open my mouth, the more I seem to stick my foot into it. Muddin' Metal, your response is justified, I understand how much you guys love your state. I'm pretty much in tears out of frustration at this point...

Back to the truck -- I just tried disabling the throttle position sensor but no luck. Still won't start. I'm having a hard time today, I just got the truck back together and I've been working non-stop on this for almost two months. I've replaced just about everything that was touched by the fire. The only thing I couldn't replace was the main cowl wire, that's a $3000 part.

Does anyone think it could be bad gas? I had the cap off for almost 3 months and we had a tropical rain storm here. I'm thinking condensation in the tank has spoiled the gas...any thoughts if this would prevent truck from turning over?
 
drain the gas and see... there's a drain plug easily accessible... It would only take a minute or two to flush the bad gas out of the line once there's good gas in the tank...
 
What is the "main cowl wire", are you referring to the engine harness? That's more like ? $500 with a discount IIRC. Posting up some photos of your engine compartment might help.
 
Youre not being that offensive; relax.

You got burned, and it sounds pretty bad no matter how you slice it.

I doubt its the gas. Far more likely a crossed/fried wire.

Have you verified that its getting spark?

Sent from my Pandora box, ya peckerwoods.
 
What is the "main cowl wire", are you referring to the engine harness? That's more like ? $500 with a discount IIRC. Posting up some photos of your engine compartment might help.

Nope, I bought an entirely new engine wire harness. There are 2 main wire harnesses in the engine compartment. There's the Engine wire harness, which is $500 bucks. There is the wire harness for the headlights that wraps around the front of the truck, which includes the fuse box with the fusible links and alternator wiring, etc. Then there is the main cowl wire harness, which runs into the engine bay on both sides of the firewall and connects to both of these. This wire harness is the $3000 part. I was shocked when I learned about this. I had to replace many of the connectors on this harness which had melted due to the fire.

As an aside, I replaced the ECU with another unit I bought on ebay for $250 bucks. Could this be the culprit?

I found the drain plug on the gas tank today but wasn't sure bad gas would cause the truck not to start...I have to go back to Brooklyn in the next few days so I was thinking to just drop it off at the Tallahassee Toyota dealers (or the Thomasville GA folks) and have them look at it. I can't take this engine apart one more time, I will lose my mind.

The Tallahassee Toyota folks were less than helpful all around. Meanwhile the folks in Chattanooga TN completely rock. I had so many people come out of the woodwork in TN offering my help, GA too. That was a bright spot.

As for planning the trip with a globe, yeah I got fired from my job in January so I figured a nice lazy trip down south to Tallahassee was just what the doctor ordered. Me and my girlfriend went to Virginia Beach first, followed by the Outer Banks. Then we took 17 all the way down to Tallahassee, where I spent 2 weeks working on the truck in my Dad's driveway. My GF had to go back to NYC because of work, so I decided to check out NOLA before I went back to NYC to look for more work. I drove the whole panhandle to NOLA and had a blast the whole time. I honestly felt such a deep connection and love with the South that I was actually considering moving there. After NOLA, I was going to go back to Pensacola for a day or so, but decided to take a straight shot back through Alabama when this happened on I59. The whole thing sucks. So yeah, I did use the globe to plan my trip, and had a great time until my truck, my pride and joy, burst into flames.
 
zrheard,

Honestly, after the fire broke out, I went to a hotel room in TN and realized I had no comprehensive insurance. I honestly thought I was to blame for the fire, that it was some rookie mistake I had made when working on the car. When I went to the dealer in the morning, they pointed out the cause of the fire and the hose that had been sliced open in two places with a razor blade. This is the hose from the fuel pressure sensor, the fuel return line. I couldn't believe it.

As for pursuing legal action, I couldn't get a lawyer to even listen to my case because no one was hurt. Sorry to anyone who is a lawyer on this forum, but that's the truth about this legal system. As for fighting the State Troopers, I called a lawyer friend in NYC and he said there's no use pursuing the case, you'd have to pay for a lawyer and fly back and forth to Alabama, and the most you could probably get is the price of the damage to the truck, and then I'd still have to pay for legal fees, etc. I decided to use money to pay for parts instead. Police back each other up, whether it's in Alabama or New York. I don't blame them, that's the reality of it. Bear in mind I wasn't even given a ticket. Just a written warning.
 
Yeah, I verified today I'm getting spark. I was worried igniter was bad...seems OK. Coil has been replaced. I'm getting fuel, I disconnected fuel return hose and verified that.

I was thinking it was timing issue? Now, I'm thinking it's bad gas...we've had more rain here in Tallahassee than I thought was possible, and as I said, the fuel cap was removed 3-4 months ago, as well as line from charcoal filter to evap line, and left that way for months. I'm thinking condensation has spoiled the gas.
 
Lets hope not. Cruiser karma is good.
:beer:



What did the dealer recommend as far as replacing parts?

Sent from my Pandora box, ya peckerwoods.

The dealers in Tallahassee were not helpful. The Chattanooga guys said damage was minimal and that I could fix it myself. I replaced everything myself. As I said, everything has been swapped out. The only thing I can think of now is a short in the main wire harness that runs into engine bay on both sides. I just drank my second/third beer and feeling hazy right now. And I quit drinking years ago but guess now is a good time to start again.

Also, my fuel pump relay was heated up pretty bad but not replaced -- I know this is tough to diagnose without more info. Thanks to all for the help. Burp.
 

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