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Dusty said:
Same goes with a 5.7 transplant.
If someone else is doing the work for you I cant see a FJ80 transplant costing less than $10k. Putting a SBC in a jeep or even an FJ40 is obviously not the same as putting one in a FJ 80--the former parts are cheap and not every joe could do the latter--thus the joe who can will get paid.

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Dude I don't have any idea where get your numbers but the kit by itself is 5900 bucks. Have it installed your an easy 7500 bucks. Hell with 7500 I'd install a MPI 383 with 450hp and 500tq and it would be new. you're talking about installing a turbo on a 150k truck with head gaskets issues. You will multiply those issues with forced induction. So rebuild your 1fz at the same time and your an easy 10k. For 10k drop in a 502 with 550 hp and 500tq and buy parts at NAPA. Thats what noone is factoring in is your dropping 5900 bucks in parts alone onto at least an 8year old engine with probably 100 to 150k. It just doesn't make sense. I think its a hell of a setup but to do it correctly you'd better build the motor at the same time. If you did every bit yourself it would cost you 7000. If you paid labor 12k. I think the power to dollar ratio is out of whack. Hemi eater? Line that cruiser up next to the new Jeep cherokee Hemi. 0 to 60 in 5.9. I doubt the turbo'd cruiser would be below 9. I'd still own the cruiser over the jeep but if I had 6k to add power I think I'd go another direction. or I'd be satisfied with the power I had and have slee lift and add all the other goodies I could buy for 6k. You'd really have a pimp cruiser then.
Here is a link for the Hemi eater crowd.

http://www.thecarconnection.com/Veh...2005_Jeep_Grand_Cherokee_HEMI.S181.A8616.html
 
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But in all reality, unless your motor is seriously "worn", really a head gasket replacement and clean-up as all that is really needed before installing forced induction.
 
DJForrestA, very valid points, hence the low volume installs at the shop.

However, couple of things, don't compare wheel hp to engine hp, also, the gains we had was over an already supercharged truck, not sure what it is over stock truck.

1, the old motor is an issue, but we are looking at people that are diehard Toyota fans and they want to stay Toyota. So to freshen up the motor if needed does not bother them. Hower as mentioned it will add to the cost.

2. The biggest advantage is that the kit can be installed in 3 days and you are up and running. No motor swap goes that fast in a 80.

3. You essentially still have a stock truck. Motor swaps are inherintly a mix of two vehicles and systems and introduce servicability issues,

4. Up at altitute, the turbo makes more sense than any normally aspirated engine. We are at 5k ft and most of the driving we do just goes higher from here.

5. Hemi Eater, I agree, this was not set up to be a off the line setup, but I would bet if we hooked some weight behind the cruiser, it will outperform the Jeep. No doubt, the Jeeps have nice powefull powerplants. That was always their strength.

6. 6 lbs of boost is very little, with work that can be increased and much better hp numbers can be had.

7. I mostly pointed this out to show the performace of a $3/$k supercharger and a $6/$7k turbo system.

I agree, when these trucks were $30/$40k, spending that kind of $'s for gains was easier. Now that the price has come down, then v8 sometimes makes sense. But you have to look at the user. If you are a motorhead and do the swap yourself, know how it was done then yes, by all means do a v8 conversion. However for the averaege truck owner that relies on a shop to maintain, build and service his truck, the swap is not always a good idea.

Not that it can not be done to be 100% reliable and servicable, but the shops that do that do charge a premium. As we always say, we do not want to marry the truck.
 
Why are you selling your 02? Also I can't wait to turbo my truck....but was wondering if you were ever going to get carb approval...that is the only thing holding me back at this point. thanks Christo

Rob
 
Good point on the time frame. My last swap took 3 months to complete in my scout. If I had the change I'd do it just for the bling factor but after browsing your sight I'd probably spend my money on all the other cool stuff you've got. I think it would be cool to hear that thing really spool up and I'm sure you could increase the boost. I love the idea but as usual I'm a little off the beaten path. I think a supercharged Ford 4.6 would be a beast in one of these trucks and it would be lightweight as well.
 
Also good point on turbos in altitude: The great equalizer!
 
Turbos usually have a altitude ceiling where you do not want to push them too hard after that limit. You would have to get with the Manifacture of the turbo to see what that limit is. When the atomsphere is too thin, the turbo does not have enough density of air on the compressor and will over spin(can damage the comprssor wheel, bearing and such). I love turbos but this can be a down side if the owner does not work with in the limits of the turbo. We do have a lot of passes that are near or over that limit here in Colorado. later robbie
 
Too bad www.ststurbo.com doesn't have a kit for the 80, their prices are very competitive on the Tacoma kits and I've ridden in a few STS-equipped vehicles. Damn amazing. I'd run a snorkel with their setup though.
 
Robbie, as you have pointed out there are pros and cons to each set-up. I guess picking the setup that has the most pros and least cons for your use is the key.

For me on the east coast, needing horsepower to spin and clean mud from tires, highway and town use with mountain tops peaking at around 6,000 ft., a turbo would be my choice of power upgrade.
 
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