TRD Supercharger vs AVO Turbo Results

[cabron]

Pricey, but looks like a real sweet setup..

 

[cabron]

Pricey, but looks like a real sweet setup..

 

[cruiserdan]

That's still ludacris expensive.

Hellooooo......



SPEED COSTS MONEY ..........Do you have any idea how much a single top fuel dragster motor or NASCAR motor costs?

Well into 5 figures and the engine may only last ONE race.

 

[OGBeno]

A 4.7 conversion for 5k? Better start the line now.

Where else can you get at least 100 RWHP over stock regardless of price?

I think it would be doable for about $5K or so. I would do the labor myself (with help from others obviously).

The 4.7L engine I have seen with very low miles in the mid-to-upper $2K area (generally from totaled Tundra's) including harness, ECM, and other sundries. Motor mounts could be easily fabbed for pretty cheap. New exhaust routing not too much more. ECT to ECM might be interesting, but still doable.

The last thing I'd worry about would be the adaptor. That would be a killer, but I think again doable for a reasonable price (less than $2K).

I'm not saying this is the route I would take. I like the 1FZ very much and for my purposes provides me with all the power I want or would possibly need. I would weigh the 1FZ rebuild very carefully against a V8 upgrade (whether Toyota or GM or diesel).

My point was that I just cannot see the benefits of upgrading to a really expensive system like the AVO one unless I had a need for it...that or tons of money burning a hole in my pocket!

Cheers.
-onur
Akron, OH

 

[Flygtenstein]

RWHP on a 4.7 is?

This is a sweet kit that makes these trucks get up and run. Not saying I could afford it, but I doubt you could get the same performance for less "ludacris" prices.

Most of the modifications are done not because they are cheap and easy but because they are cool and make the truck "better". If we only modified our rigs because it was cost effective, this place would have 5 members or less.

I am looking forward to seeing this kit on 95-97 truck to get even better numbers.

 

[concretejungle]

Hellooooo......



SPEED COSTS MONEY ..........Do you have any idea how much a single top fuel dragster motor or NASCAR motor costs?

Well into 5 figures and the engine may only last ONE race.

Dan, come on man, i know. But there comes a point when cost exceeds reasonable horsepower. That is getting close. I'm not knocking anyone that is providing this awesome set-up to us owners, there comes a time when one must question things though.

A TRD nascar motor cost $75,000 and is run through after each race. I have no idea on a top fuel dragster motor, as those are putting out crazy numbers.

 

[sleeoffroad]

Mr Slee
How dificult was it to install and tune the devise?

Installation was very easy, just wiring. However on the earlier model trucks we can not adjust the timing like we can on the 95/97 1FZFE and the +98 2UZFE. We are still working on that. There seems to be an issue with the SMT6 and the ignition signals.

We use a wideband O2 sensor and we dyno tune. The computer is used to drive the two extra injectors to add additional fuel when needed.

I immagine there was no map available and you had to do this from scratch.

Yes,

lastly, have you had much experience with piggy back systems on the 1fzfe-both with and without forced induction-do they make a diff in your experience? if others have experience with this please comment

We have not done it to a normal aspirated motor. However it is a common thing to do in SA and Australia. They report good results.


Cost: The units we had in stock were sold for $5900. This includes ball bearing turbo, intercooler, all piping, SMT6 computer and fuel delivery system. This does not include the exhaust, upgraded fuel pump if needed, installation or tuning.

The kit can be made cheaper by using a bushing turbo and a cheaper tube/fin style intercooler.

We have looked at the 4.7 swaps extensively and I have all the parts here to do one. However the catch is that is one considers a Tundra donor vehicle, then the ECU expects a speed sensor at the front of the tranny. The 442 or 343 does not have this. So one has to overcome that, or go do a 100 series donor, which is not as easily available or cheap as the Tundra.

fj55-100 did this swap before with 4.7, tundra tranny, marlin adapters, marlin box and then a 60 series split case. Once you add all those costs, it will start to approach the turbo kit costs and you will not be close to the same power.

http://www.4wdlow.com/fj55/

The advantage of the turbo over the engine swap is that the truck stays stock. Easier diagnoses and any Toyota shop can still work on it. Not funky wiring, etc etc.

I too was one of those that wanted a $3k turbo system, and it would still be great, I just don't see it happening. If the $ got stronger against the AU$, the prices will get better.

Don't get me wrong, I still want to do the 4.7 swap, just haven't figured all the details.

 

[sleeoffroad]

Ok - turbo looks sweet, but is a little out of my budget Since nobody else has asked, PM me with what you want for that used TRD SC for my '94 ;p

Tucker

Sold already.

 

[powderpig]

Wondering who did the swap on the FJ55 with 100 series stuf, could not see any credits? robbie

 

[sleeoffroad]

fj55-100 is the screen name. http://www.4wdlow.com/fj55/ is his site and some of the info was posted here

https://forum.ih8mud.com/showthread.php?t=5353&highlight=2uzfe

 

[wob]

Wondering who did the swap on the FJ55 with 100 series stuf, could not see any credits? robbie

This guy...

https://forum.ih8mud.com/member.php?u=966

 

[powderpig]

Cool thank WOB.

 

[Big_Moose]

Christo,

Evan's (FJ55-100) swap used a 2001 LX470 2UZ Motor, tranny, and tcase. The only "Tundra" component is the ECU. Now that he just installed a TRD SC on the 2UZ motor, we are having some fuel issues under WOT (pinging / leanish), and haven't had time to visit with the guys at TRD or review other options - will have to look into the FC you are using. Fairly sure its the Tundra ECU as the main culprit - just need time to review & troubleshoot, but, at 18 to 20 mpg, why change?

The plan down the road is to maybe convert the drvietrain to part-time via a splitcase, dual cases, or Mark's kit.

After I finish converting my FJ55 to the 80 coil suspension, I'm replacing the 55's 454V8, with the 2UZ (maybe an LT1).

Want to sell that rolled tundra that is taking up valuable space in the shop for the past year

Your tuned, turbo 2UZ must just fly, since the TRD SC'd 2UZ is crazy fast! Hopefully you will have it at Moab for a test ride!

Joe

fj55-100 did this swap before with 4.7, tundra tranny, marlin adapters, marlin box and then a 60 series split case. Once you add all those costs, it will start to approach the turbo kit costs and you will not be close to the same power.

 

[sleeoffroad]

Evan's (FJ55-100) swap used a 2001 LX470 2UZ Motor, tranny, and tcase. The only "Tundra" component is the ECU.

Duh, there is another swap into an 80 with the Tundra and Marling parts. Not sure who did that. Sure I can find it if I search. I forgot that Evan had the sweat Lexus hookup including the seats

Now that he just installed a TRD SC on the 2UZ motor, we are having some fuel issues under WOT (pinging / leanish), and haven't had time to visit with the guys at TRD or review other options - will have to look into the FC you are using. Fairly sure its the Tundra ECU as the main culprit - just need time to review & troubleshoot, but, at 18 to 20 mpg, why change?

What is he using to drive the extra injectors?

The plan down the road is to maybe convert the drvietrain to part-time via a splitcase, dual cases, or Mark's kit.

You can get a part time kit for the 100 transfercase as well. About the same price as the 80 kit if you don't need the front hubs, which I am sure he does not.

Want to sell that rolled tundra that is taking up valuable space in the shop for the past year

Yes, the drivetrain is pulled, but all the parts are still there including what is left of the body. If you are really interested give us a call.

Your tuned, turbo 2UZ must just fly, since the TRD SC'd 2UZ is crazy fast! Hopefully you will have it at Moab for a test ride!
Joe

Not sure if it will be there, have some other projects going. I also put it up for sale, so maybe it will be there with some other owner.

 

[sleeoffroad]

Will Carrol and here is another thread
https://forum.ih8mud.com/showthread.php?t=28973&highlight=carrol

 

[Big_Moose]

Christo,

Duh, there is another swap into an 80 with the Tundra and Marling parts. Not sure who did that. Sure I can find it if I search. I forgot that Evan had the sweat Lexus hookup including the seats

I think it was Will Carrol (Sp?) that installed the Tundra / Marlin components into a 91-80.

He now has new GX470 seats (grey leather) in the 55, while I humbly received the (tan) GX470 hand me down seats for my 55

What is he using to drive the extra injectors?

TRD supplied ECU, but with stock fuel pump / regulator

You can get a part time kit for the 100 transfercase as well. About the same price as the 80 kit if you don't need the front hubs, which I am sure he does not.

I think the dual / splitcase is the future plan, but as you know - money / time are major factors. He is running the front hubs currently ragther than the drive plates

Yes, the drivetrain is pulled, but all the parts are still there including what is left of the body. If you are really interested give us a call.

Will call later this week - definitely interested

Not sure if it will be there, have some other projects going. I also put it up for sale, so maybe it will be there with some other owner.

You seem to hang onto the 80's., but always sell the 100's - you need to listen to Shottzy more

Joe

 

[sleeoffroad]

You seem to hang onto the 80's., but always sell the 100's - you need to listen to Shottzy more
Joe

Sure, I will listen to him. I have a new 80 and a new 100 as projects. 80 should make it for Moab.

 

[Dusty]

I immagine that even if you did all the work yourself and found a suitable 4.7L w low miles for $3k you wouldn't spend much less than the $5,900 for the turbo by the time it was over--and the time involved is massive as has been shared on this forum--and for what?--235hp vs 212 and 330ftlbs vs 275. thats not all that great of a return for the money to put in the 4.7. if you look at the issue from a dollar to hp ratio the AVO system isn't a bad deal at all-and you know the machine is a real toyota and dont have to worry about the transplant and all the bugs to be worked out.
if the reson for the 4.7 swap is all about the project facter-that makes sense--that would be about as rewarding as they come---but from an economics standpoint the AVO is a better deal. Same goes with a 5.7 transplant.
If someone else is doing the work for you I cant see a FJ80 transplant costing less than $10k. Putting a SBC in a jeep or even an FJ40 is obviously not the same as putting one in a FJ 80--the former parts are cheap and not every joe could do the latter--thus the joe who can will get paid.

Now back to the Piggy back issue-if one could find a unichip for under a grand and have it tuned for a few hundred-and if such could net 20hp and 25ftlbs-that would be good power for the money.

 

[Rainy Day FZJ]

Hi jack on Were did the "piggy back" for the blower that was supposedly soon to be released by Steve-O go...... Steve-O Where is IT?


I got a line on a complete Tundra smashed truck. 3k for it. The other side of the equation that someone has seemed to miss is that the 4.7l will have a lot less miles on it. And then in a year or so the turbo for it will be in full force!

 

[Dusty]

I believe the 1fzfe is a better motor-if your'e getting a blo job anyway, I'd rather blo the 6. Seen any 500hp 4.7's lately?