Toyota OEM PS Pump PIS and GPM Ratings & Hydraulic Winch

[Filmpros]

I really like the 4x4 Labs Bumper. I will be getting another one for my next "hard core rock crawler" build....with a rear winch of course....

My only concern with the 4x4 Labs Bumper is that in some very rare yet extreme cases, the design can show one of its only flaws.

In a tight situation .... like a "U" shaped ditch .... you really have no rear bumper protection. Coming off a steep incline and going immediately up another steep incline ... if you roll backwards ... you might put the rear tire carrier and gerry can holder in to the back tailgate.

However, you would have to wheeling pretty hard in an extreme situation for that scenario to ever present itself. This would not stop me from buying these bumpers. They are by far the best engineered, nicest built and one of most solid bumpers I have seen yet for a cruiser.

In fact, the ease of use with respect to the hydraulic arms for the tire carrier and the gerry can holder give me the urge to rip my Kaymar Bumper off the other truck and put this one on. The Kaymar is OK but nowhere near as nice as the 4x4 Labs. This is a GREAT bumper.

Regarding the rear hydraulic winch. It all depends on your perspective. I am one who likes things to be easy and convenient. In some situations, the rear winch can be of great service.

* It is almost always easier to pull backwards than it is forward. In mud or when you encounter an impassable obstacle, sometimes going backwards may be the best option. You have already cut a path with the wheels of your truck to get where you are ... so it is an easier pull if going forward becomes an issue.

* On a hill or slippery slope, spool one winch cable out and attach to a tree for stability ... use the other to pull the stuck vehicle. Easy way to secure the winching vehicle making for a safer pull.

* Putting this vehicle between two (2) vehicles without winches on a tight trail gives you more options for getting not just yourself but the vehicle behind you out of a jam.


The cost is minimal really ... just the price of the winch, PS hose, and an in cab switch if you choose to have one. Considering the fact that the 12K Hydro is only 5lbs more than the 10K and the simplicity of the install, I do not see if as overkill really.

But as Yamaha used to say "Different Strokes for Different Folks" ...

I love it and my next vehicle will have dual hydro winches as well.

Pretty sure I saw that bumper at Lukes before it shipped out. It looks great.

Cool (but overkill) rear hydraulic winch. Does a dual fuel tank still fit? Where do you plan to go in this truck?

 

[Filmpros]

Just went to Kentucky for the meeting I thought was going to be in NC. However, I plan on visiting their other facility on NC sometime this summer. I may bring the 96 Lexus...it gets 5 MPG more than my 97 Lexus...! ... 14mpg instead of 9mpg....

Rich,
your builds are becoming epic. Keep up the nice work! I hope you are able to make it down this way soon.

Smitty

 

[Filmpros]

This is actually the ONLY Crash Tested Dog Cage in the world. It is designed and tested to allow dogs to survive in the event of a severe rear impact.

We are working on importing these for resale in the US. It also makes a great cargo cage when dogs are not using it..!! We just used this to stow all our gear & luggage for a trip to Kentucky. It locks as well which is really nice for an added level of security.

The cage itself is extremely well made and beautifully designed. It weighs 70lbs and is secured using a strap that connects to D Rings attached to the existing 3rd row seat bolt positions. You can also use the D Rings to attach it to the 3rd row handrail positions. However, I prefer to save those for cargo tie downs.

You may also notice that it has an emergency escape hatch that allows you to tale out remove your dogs (or your gear) easily and quickly in the event of a severe rear impact that prevents the rear tailgate from opening.

 

[Filmpros]

Not sure about the rear fuel cell. Nat will check today and let us know.

Took the 97 to NEA4WDC Fall Gathering. We just took the 96 truck to the NEA4WDC Snow Run. Plan on going to the Gotham Coal Mine run with both trucks. Plan on attending several events like this throughout the year.

Also use (need) both trucks for the mountains, woods, camping, and long distance travel we do.

Also use it as a work truck some times. Here is a pic of cruisers some logging work.

Pretty sure I saw that bumper at Lukes before it shipped out. It looks great.

Cool (but overkill) rear hydraulic winch. Does a dual fuel tank still fit? Where do you plan to go in this truck?

 

[landtank]

To make it more foolproof .... it has to be armed and then a winch selected. Yes, we are setting it up so only one can run at a time via the selection switch.

Two "OFF" switches just seems redumbdant to me, and having push button in cab controls adds more complexity as an addition circuit needs to be added so only 1 of those can function at a time to make them fool proof.

IMO it's real important to design a multiple controller system so only 1 solenoid for 1 winch can be activated from a single controller at one time. Winching is dangerous enough without the possibility of erratic or unanticipated operation from a poorly designed system.

And it's not like it's all that hard to do.

In your case the complete setup could be done with nothing more than:

1 three position switch for winch selection, OFF | FRONT | REAR
1 three position switch for controller selection, CABLED | WIRELESS |IN CAB
1 wireless controller
1 cabled hand held controller
1 SPDT monetary switch for in cab control
and some wire

I'd have Nat88toy review the work he's done closely and fully test the safe guards in place to ensure the safe and controlled operation of the winches.

 

[nat88toy]

don't worry we have 12vguy.com making us a custom switch panel and he is fully aware of the safeguards that need to be in-place for our application

 

[Filmpros]

They are sort of redundant. I am not the only person driving these trucks so they must be totally foolproof designs to reduce or eliminate the possibility of disaster via user error.

This is how we currently designed the system.

First, you have to "ARM" the winch system using the "Missile Style" switch. This switch assures you know the system is armed. It provides a sure fire way of knowing when the system is hot because the missle style cover would be flipped up.

Second, we have a three (3) position switch that is marked Front, Off, Rear.

In order to use the system, you have "arm" the system and then select a winch.

Once a winch is selected, you can ONLY run that winch and ALL other methods (Wired, Wireless, or In-Cab) are operational for the selected winch.

You can ONLY run the selected winch and ALL other methods (Wired, Wireless, or In-Cab) are non-operational for the non-selected winch.

A little different than what you are suggesting. I will have to give your idea that some thought as it will take a lot more wiring and it may be more prone to failure.

Two "OFF" switches just seems redumbdant to me, and having push button in cab controls adds more complexity as an addition circuit needs to be added so only 1 of those can function at a time to make them fool proof.

IMO it's real important to design a multiple controller system so only 1 solenoid for 1 winch can be activated from a single controller at one time. Winching is dangerous enough without the possibility of erratic or unanticipated operation from a poorly designed system.

And it's not like it's all that hard to do.

In your case the complete setup could be done with nothing more than:

1 three position switch for winch selection, OFF | FRONT | REAR
1 three position switch for controller selection, CABLED | WIRELESS |IN CAB
1 wireless controller
1 cabled hand held controller
1 SPDT monetary switch for in cab control
and some wire

I'd have Nat88toy review the work he's done closely and fully test the safe guards in place to ensure the safe and controlled operation of the winches.

 

[landtank]

I think you are missing my point Filmpros. You have a lock out so only one winch will operate at a time but any of the controls can operate that one winch.

So you could have a bad switch on the in cab control while you are trying to control the winch from say the remote. This is a situation you want to avoid. This is why I'm saying you need a selector switch on the controls as well.

If you use the in cab controls right now and press both "in" and "out" at the same time, what happens?

Complicated systems doesn't mean they are fool proof, just complicated. From the looks of the in cab controls I'd guess you have two wireless remotes wired in as well.

 

[Filmpros]

Yes, I do understand your point. I am looking at that.

I do have two (2) wireless remotes, and two (2) hand controls, and the dual winch control in the cab.

My point is that the Missile Switch is required in addition to what you suggested. It would be to easy to leave teh system armed or have somthing brush up against teh switch and arm the system without realizing it. I think it needs both systems in place for safety.

I will take a look at some options to avoid any potential disaster and let you know what we decide to do.

Thanks for the input..

I think you are missing my point Filmpros. You have a lock out so only one winch will operate at a time but any of the controls can operate that one winch.

So you could have a bad switch on the in cab control while you are trying to control the winch from say the remote. This is a situation you want to avoid. This is why I'm saying you need a selector switch on the controls as well.

If you use the in cab controls right now and press both "in" and "out" at the same time, what happens?

Complicated systems doesn't mean they are fool proof, just complicated. From the looks of the in cab controls I'd guess you have two wireless remotes wired in as well.

 

[rhyary]

I think for a rear mounted winch the hydraulic is a real good solution and Filmpro is doing a good job pioneering this option.
There is no good way to run a DC cable all the way to a rear electric winch, and putting a battery in the back to operate an electric winch has it own issue.

Rich, do you plan to put together a kit for this?

 

[landtank]

Yes, I do understand your point. I am looking at that.

I do have two (2) wireless remotes, and two (2) hand controls, and the dual winch control in the cab.

My point is that the Missile Switch is required in addition to what you suggested. It would be to easy to leave teh system armed or have somthing brush up against teh switch and arm the system without realizing it. I think it needs both systems in place for safety.

I will take a look at some options to avoid any potential disaster and let you know what we decide to do.

Thanks for the input..

You can cut the number of controllers you have in half and still retain all the functionality you are looking for. This will greatly reduce the complexity of the system making it easier to manage.

While I'm not a rear winch kind of guy this has the potential to be the nicest one I've seen. But I'm a big hydraulic fan anyway.