lowenbrau
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With 28% efficient (gasoline) and 33% efficient (diesel) engines, I don't think the math works out to a win.
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With 28% efficient (gasoline) and 33% efficient (diesel) engines, I don't think the math works out to a win.
zuluzeugma
SILVER Star
true, those were just example numbers. I'm sure its more like 2% and 3%
zuluzeugma
SILVER Star
Check this link out when you get a chance. It will make you think alot.
http://www.fastcompany.com/magazine/120/motorhead-messiah.html
http://www.fastcompany.com/magazine/120/motorhead-messiah.html
LukeZero
Deeply Confused
The guy who owns the storage unit that I use is putting together a system. He's not sure if it'll work or not, but I guess to him it's worth a try. I told him to give me a call and let me know once he has it done and working. I'm skeptical, but hey, as long as I'm not paying to be the guinea pig, I'll bite.
zuluzeugma
SILVER Star
But I'm an American- you can't force me to think!
Haha, so true....
I firmly beilve that when gas gets to 5 dollars (and diesel 6 dollars) a gallon next summer, were going to see a whole new type of car enthusiests emerge onto the seen with a lot of inovations. Keeping an open mind might just save you a few bucks at the pump.
Case in point: A 1985 VW diesel rabbit that used to be worth about 400 bucks two years ago are now selling for OUTRAGEOUS amounts every week on ebay. People are beginning to get fed up with it. Some will react and be pissed, others will start thinking until real solutions are reached.
The ironic thing: I'm an engineer for an oil and gas company....
One of my employees put a hydro assisted fuel cell on his ford f150. His gas mileage went down 5-7mpg. The truck never ran right. The kit he bought was pretty complete. He spent over a $1000 bucks for it. Two weeks later he took it out. I believe most of it is bull. This was the kit.
http://www.relocalize.net/files/Fuel Cell info.pdf
Jason
http://www.relocalize.net/files/Fuel Cell info.pdf
Jason
That was an interesting article. I just saw the company on a show about SEMA 2007. I wish I could afford to do a cummins 4bt swap out on one of my fj's!
Q-ray ionized bracelets work just as well as "H2 generators" to increase MPG and produce a sense of well being, while you're being fleeced.
$.02
I had a buddy in college that had a degree in alternative fuel systems. He built his own hydrogen generator on his F250 and averaged 25mpg. He said it has to be mixed just so and it's very hard on the longevity of the engine.
I had a buddy in college that had a degree in alternative fuel systems. He built his own hydrogen generator on his F250 and averaged 25mpg. He said it has to be mixed just so and it's very hard on the longevity of the engine.
her in OZ i believe quite a few people are adding lpg irrigation.
the diesel is leaned off and supplimented with a small amount of propane gas to the intake manifold,resulting in both cheaper and better fuel ecconomy.
i believe part of the reason for this is that the propane burns happily right up to the cylinder walls ,wher diesel suffers from the cooling effect of cylinder walls and does not combust completle right next to them
also the heat generated by the burning propane in this visinity causes the accompaning diesel to combust fully.
the diesel is leaned off and supplimented with a small amount of propane gas to the intake manifold,resulting in both cheaper and better fuel ecconomy.
i believe part of the reason for this is that the propane burns happily right up to the cylinder walls ,wher diesel suffers from the cooling effect of cylinder walls and does not combust completle right next to them
also the heat generated by the burning propane in this visinity causes the accompaning diesel to combust fully.
Surprised no-one posted this:
http://www.chechfi.ca/dealer_information.htm
More expensive, claims not as wild, but in widespread commercial use. Guess it's worth the 10 amps.!
http://www.chechfi.ca/dealer_information.htm
More expensive, claims not as wild, but in widespread commercial use. Guess it's worth the 10 amps.!
And then there is this. . .
Truckers Choose Hydrogen Power.
So I guess this trick basically works. Or the guys referred to in this article are REALLY GOOD con men, good enough to bull**** Wired magazine and countless others. Of course, their kit for pickups & SUVs is more in the $3000 range, whereas the savefuel.ca guys is $6-700. That does beg the question of whether the expensive one works better, or causes less engine trouble, or just has lower costs because they are made by some crazy old coot in a barn he already owns in Vineland. He's clearly not paying anyone to write copy for him, his website is one spelling error after another. You can tell it's him or his brother narrating the promo video. So maybe his product is as good (or good enough), and his overhead is non-existent. I guess the question is who is going to risk a good engine to find out. I've got a Sentra that's pretty much a write-off . . .
Pard
Truckers Choose Hydrogen Power.
So I guess this trick basically works. Or the guys referred to in this article are REALLY GOOD con men, good enough to bull**** Wired magazine and countless others. Of course, their kit for pickups & SUVs is more in the $3000 range, whereas the savefuel.ca guys is $6-700. That does beg the question of whether the expensive one works better, or causes less engine trouble, or just has lower costs because they are made by some crazy old coot in a barn he already owns in Vineland. He's clearly not paying anyone to write copy for him, his website is one spelling error after another. You can tell it's him or his brother narrating the promo video. So maybe his product is as good (or good enough), and his overhead is non-existent. I guess the question is who is going to risk a good engine to find out. I've got a Sentra that's pretty much a write-off . . .
Pard
Whoops. I meant that the question is if the cheaper one costs less because it's made in a barn in Vineland. I shouldn't type this early.
Pard
Pard
Yup, I will be staying away from this Jaco Bolle guy and his fuelsave.ca website. I did a little digging and found at least three complaints online of non-delivery and non-return of funds. So even if his kit works, he's well worth avoiding, it would seem. Shucks.
Pard.
Pard.
It is pretty easy to build.... But I think it only makes sense on a Diesel.
Anyone tried the PICC or Hydro Cell in with LC?
New to the thread...and to IH8Mud.com.
Was wondering if any tried out the PICC (Pre-ignition Cat Conv.) or the hydro cell yet on their Cruiser? I tried to contact PICC to ask about any PROVEN results for a Land Cruiser (or even another V8 Toyota). No response from them and it has been a 2 weeks. Additionally, the long awaited PICC was supposed to start shipping 2/1/08...so there may be some good (non-paid) testimonials out there shortly. I will be actively searching outside of IH8Mud and will share anything I find.
Thx!
New to the thread...and to IH8Mud.com.
Was wondering if any tried out the PICC (Pre-ignition Cat Conv.) or the hydro cell yet on their Cruiser? I tried to contact PICC to ask about any PROVEN results for a Land Cruiser (or even another V8 Toyota). No response from them and it has been a 2 weeks. Additionally, the long awaited PICC was supposed to start shipping 2/1/08...so there may be some good (non-paid) testimonials out there shortly. I will be actively searching outside of IH8Mud and will share anything I find.
Thx!
Welcome!
But to the PICC, sorry dude, it can not work! It is a load of ******** and I am actually mostly surprised that it is legal to advertise like that. All info om mileage ect. are totally imposible to achieve, let alone with a "add-ons" like the "The HAFC Vaporizer, The HAFC Optimizer, The Covalizer and the Pre-Ignition Catalytic Converter"
If the technology where sound and the results true, don't you think the car companies would have fought over it? Think about a Ford F450 with the economy of a Smartcar??? Don't you think that would be an excellent marketing-point?
(I have now converted ny truck to run on pure snake-oil!)
Thank you...
Thank you Christian...I am looking at this with similar concern. I am wondering when this house of cards is going to topple for the companies marketing it. It is going to be interesting watching this unfold. Once again...thanks for getting back to me on this.
Thank you Christian...I am looking at this with similar concern. I am wondering when this house of cards is going to topple for the companies marketing it. It is going to be interesting watching this unfold. Once again...thanks for getting back to me on this.