Oil change interval difference

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SWUtah, I don't know the real reason, but you might be onto something with "marketing hype to drive down the perceived cost to maintain the vehicle".

I have an old friend but we don't talk much these days, he's an automotive engineer, used to race TRD#1 in SCCA. He was my source for the more complicated aspects of automotive design and theory. Back in my day of really wrenching on cars, because you had to, OCI was 3 months or 3k miles. I'm just not comfortable going more than 5k even with synthetic, and here's why. Engine oil, unlike let's say the transmission, gets exposed to and mixed with all the combustion byproducts. Over time this degrades the oils ability to protect the internal moving parts, and with conventional oil sludge forms. As my old high school auto shop teacher said, when you mix (synthetic) oil, gas, water, etc. you get oil, gas, water, etc. but not sludge. That may be overly simplistic, but there is a kernel of truth in that old man's wisdom.

Regarding viscosity, Toyota, in my 2009 recommends 0W-20 or 5W-20, they further state 0W-20 when it's cold to help with cold starting. But if one uses synthetic I would argue that you can stay with the 5W-20 in cold weather as synthetic oils flow better in cold conditions compared to conventional oils. This holds true in manual transmissions, transfer cases, and differentials, anyone switch to synthetic in a tranny or transfer case and feel immediately how easy it'll shift? I may try bjowett's idea of 5W-30 during the summer in mine as I have the cold engine knock under load (not happy at all about that).

For further argument, the engineer buddy used to say when an engine is fully broken in, you could just change the filter at every other OCI due to the lack of particulate in the engine.
 
SWUtah, I don't know the real reason, but you might be onto something with "marketing hype to drive down the perceived cost to maintain the vehicle".

I have an old friend but we don't talk much these days, he's an automotive engineer, used to race TRD#1 in SCCA. He was my source for the more complicated aspects of automotive design and theory. Back in my day of really wrenching on cars, because you had to, OCI was 3 months or 3k miles. I'm just not comfortable going more than 5k even with synthetic, and here's why. Engine oil, unlike let's say the transmission, gets exposed to and mixed with all the combustion byproducts. Over time this degrades the oils ability to protect the internal moving parts, and with conventional oil sludge forms. As my old high school auto shop teacher said, when you mix (synthetic) oil, gas, water, etc. you get oil, gas, water, etc. but not sludge. That may be overly simplistic, but there is a kernel of truth in that old man's wisdom.

Regarding viscosity, Toyota, in my 2009 recommends 0W-20 or 5W-20, they further state 0W-20 when it's cold to help with cold starting. But if one uses synthetic I would argue that you can stay with the 5W-20 in cold weather as synthetic oils flow better in cold conditions compared to conventional oils. This holds true in manual transmissions, transfer cases, and differentials, anyone switch to synthetic in a tranny or transfer case and feel immediately how easy it'll shift? I may try bjowett's idea of 5W-30 during the summer in mine as I have the cold engine knock under load (not happy at all about that).

For further argument, the engineer buddy used to say when an engine is fully broken in, you could just change the filter at every other OCI due to the lack of particulate in the engine.

Old guy here too, I can't go over 5k miles. The Toyota dealer I bought my LX570 from when they serviced it put 5w20 toyota oil in when they serviced it. I will be changing that before 3k miles even though 5w20 is one you can use in your LX for 5k miles. I will get it back on 0w20 synthetic, which it has used and changed every 5k miles since new.
 
Iirc it's 10k intervals on a normal schedule strictly synthetic 0w-20. You tow, go through dirt, make a lot of short trips in cold weather they reduce it to every 5k.

I always smh at forum jockeys recommending anything but what the factory manual states. Lol. BMW, Porsche, same ol story.
 
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Just showing that the tighter clearances require thinner oil is a myth..... using the main bearings on the crankshaft as an example, one can see the clearances are no different on any of the Toyota V8s.

Im all ears, Brian. I was a little disappointed to see the "0w-20 5w-20" on the oil cap when I got this new-to-me 200. (I have no doubt its about gas mileage, CAFE and all that BS.) I live in SC and it gets hot here, and would feel better with something thicker. I ran M1 5w-30 with M1 EP filters in my 05 100 and liked it. So I decided to get a sense of what oil people are running in their 200s. When I saw you mention 5w-30, I was confused; my first thought was "maybe too thick for newer tolerances".

So, if you would, elaborate on the 30w oil in the 5.7. So you, personally, don't think there is any issue with a heavier oil than the 20w that is recommended?
 
Like I said my 2011 owners manual recommends 5k changes with 0w20. Which my previous owner followed and I will continue even though the new 2014 owners manual states 10k mile changes. Same engine.

Bump.

Curious to know if there is a consensus for when to do the oil change, 5k or 10k miles? It's been 5500 miles since my last oil change... Not trying to be cheap (okay maybe a little), but trying to see if I can save time out of my hectic schedule.

I also find it odd my 09 manual says oil change every 5k miles or 6months, then the 2014 states oil change every 10k miles.

Anyone here with a 08-13MY 200 change their oil every 7-10k miles?
 
Most vehicles now recommend 10k oil changes with synthetic, including the newer LC’s. There is no way they would all be recommending that if it shortened vehicle life. There’s nothing that changed in the engine between 2011 and 2014 that would alter lubrication.

Different vehicle, but I found this interesting:

The guy has put over 400k miles on a Tacoma bought new, with the majority of the miles recreational/overlanding. The vehicle burns no oil. He used Mobil 1, and changed the oil every 8k-14.5k miles, averaging 10k between oil changes. I believe the spec on a 2006 Tacoma would be an OCI of 5k miles.

In spite of the above, old habits die hard...I’ve been changing every @7500 in my 2016 LC in spite of the 10k recommendation. My miles are short trips/city so I’m rationalizing the more frequent changes, but I’m sure they’re not necessary.
 
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I did change my oil at 5000 miles (bought mine new)...get rid of the factory oil and this was prior to a road trip. I will change it again at 10,000 miles. After that i will follow the 10k intervals as specified by Toyota.
 
Oil analysis on Toyota Group Motor Oil 0W-20,.as used in my 2008, indicates I can change at 9500 miles or longer. I change around 7500 miles, give or take. Depends on what I've been doing.
 
Make sure to check the oil level inbetween changes too. The 3UR seems to consume a little bit over the course of an interval, especially on higher mileage engines and if its an old PCV valve.
 
Oil analysis on Toyota Group Motor Oil 0W-20,.as used in my 2008, indicates I can change at 9500 miles or longer. I change around 7500 miles, give or take. Depends on what I've been doing.

Good to know. What type of oil is the Toyota Group Motor Oil? Synthetic, blend, or conventional?
 
It's synthetic oil, supplied by Mobil One but to Toyota specs. Basically Mobil One with more Moly as an additive, if I understand what I see on the Internet correctly
 
I like what @bjowett said about the main tolerances.. It's nerve racking to me putting in such "thin" oil down here in the jungle(Florida)
I'll probably go to a thicker oil.. My motor knocks anyway.. :rofl:
 
FWIW, Blackstone report at 5,290 miles.

Blackstone Eng.webp
 
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