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Thanks Meigs, the bumper was $500 plus shipping. I do not have a body lift, that is just the gap that it had when i bolted it on. I really like it other than the gap too, but i won't run it with that gap. I played with paint today here is what I am thinking to take care of the gap.

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I am still playing with it, but i am thinking I could use some 1/8" plate to build the upper section since it is more for aesthetics. I am hoping to get my MM211 wired up soon and this will be my first project, and I have been asking around to see where to go for steel stock.
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That MM211 is sweet. I love mine.

That looks pretty cool, more than I was thinking but it would work.

I was just thinking of a vertical piece of steel along the back edge to cover the gap.

Or add some plate to the bottom and drill new mounting holes to relocate it so it mounts higher. Easiest and cheapest way to do it, you just want to make sure your winch will still fit.

I like your solution however. Add steel to front and top and a couple reinforcing pieces here and there. It would look good and probably help. You would have a one-off bumper then. It will just take more time to make templates and cut out all those pieces with a grinder, unless you have access to a shear, that would speed it up for sure.

If you can find someone with a tube bender you could add a hoop to help protect the front and blinkers, kind of like an ARB.

Keep us posted.
 
That sucks that the fitment is so s***ty. Especially at $600. I've heard great things about those guys. They've got a sweet looking rear disc w/ e-brake coming out. I just don't think this is one of their best products. I toyed with the thought of running one with a Davez bumper mount for first gen trucks but after seeing the price tag for a lack luster "plate" bumper I decided against it.

Any ideas why the gap is so large? There definitely can;t be that much variation between frames and I've seen them mounted cleanly on other trucks.

I like your idea for modifying it though but why not send it back? That seems like a ridiculously expensive bumper base...
 
Did they send you the wrong one? Is there a difference in mounting height and fit between the 7?-82, 83-88, 89-95, trucks?
 
Well the height i am not sure about? I quized them in the same thing. They are built off of a trail gear winch plate and i did notice that TG has two different part #s for 84-89 and 90-95 (as meigs said i think their year breaks are off, should be thru 88 and 89-95) so if the early models have a lower front fascia and this bumper was built off of one of those, that could explain it.

As far as sending it back I have pm'd and emailed them and plan to call over there this afternoon to talk to them about where i am at. I know to ship there and back again will be around $200 plus whatever has to be done or building another bumper and there is still no guarantee on fitment. If they will turn around ship on their dime then I am game, otherwise I'd be ok if they would spot me a reasonable $ refund or equivalent parts from some of their vendors and call it good. That would make using it as a base to build off of hurt less.

Just for curiosity can someone with an 84-88 4x4 measure from the top of the front crossmember to the bottom of the grill and i will do the same to see if there is any difference.
 
I will measure mine when I get home, it will be late your time.

You might find a buyer for yours and re-order the correct one once you sell your old one if it turns out you have one for an older truck. Then you would be even or closer to even on the deal.

You should not have to pay shipping if they sent you the wrong part.

They should make it right or sell you one at cost plus shipping or discounted shipping so you can sell the one you have to recoup your money from the first purchase.
 
84-85 have the SFA, so if it were based off that winch plate, it wouldn't even fit on your truck. 86-88 and 89 4Runners have a different mounting for IFS than 89-95 pick ups and 90-95 4Runners. If that bumper fits, then its for a 89-95 pick up and 90-95 4Runner. The gap looks to be a design F up... That sucks. Im only roughly 12 minutes from them, too.
 
I think it's still savagable. I would just make a bracket and raise it up a bit. Just make something that is trianglated that ties into the crossmember. Put a coulple of gussests on it and roll with it. If you don't put a winch on it then it should be fine.

Great looking bumper, with a little finesse you should have it.
 
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Just for curiosity can someone with an 84-88 4x4 measure from the top of the front cross member to the bottom of the grill and i will do the same to see if there is any difference.
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I measured top cross member to bottom of grill like you wanted.
1992 pickup is approx 9"
1984 pickup is 7.5-7.3/4"

Bottom grill to threaded bolt hole in cross member measurements:
1992 pickup is approx 10"
1984 pickup is approx 9"

Now keep in mind that my 84 is or was a 2wd ifs truck. when I got it however it has a 4x4 front clip on it. It is a Bonanza camper (like my avatar) and there is some minor front end bending, and it has been repainted. So I don't know if this is how it came or if someone switched out the fenders and grille etc.

At any rate I think the distance should be the same on 4x4 truck I would imagine.

So it looks likely that the excessive gap of 1.5" or so is because they shipped you the wrong bumper, one for pre 1989 truck.

Do you know anyone with a pre 1989 truck you could get measurements off of to confirm my findings? Or try the bumper on there truck?

Do you still have any receipts, boxes etc. with a part # on it you can double check with them?

If you need exact measurements or pictures I can post them but it is snowing now so I will do it another day if you need.

Hope this helps and good luck.
 
I think this was mentioned by someone else as well but I had another thought on the bumper.

I don't know what the one for the 80's trucks looks like, It may not have as much wrap on the sides and be more square, I have looked into the place you got it yet.

If that is the case then they just built it wrong and they welded the wrong center winch plate into it.

How deep is it from frame bolt surface to inside front lip that holds the hause. What kind of winch do you have or will work with this?

That TG center plate may be a good place to start with a custom bumper build I have been thinking of.
 
Thanks meigs, i have an 88 4x4 4runner at my parents, i could get my pops the measure for me to confirm your numbers but based on what you posted I'd say we have found the problem. This fact could also be why some of there bumpers seem to fit better than others on certain trucks. And even though I think the frames are a little different over the suspensions, i think the fronts of the rails are the same for body mounting.

I to think that the TG plates will make a good base for a bumper build. There are a few nice ones over on pirate built off these. If this all turns out I could just put the bumper on my 4runner and order another plate for my pickup and build my own bumper for my truck.
 
Ya that is probably it, I guess you will know for sure if it fits exact on your 4-runner. The 92 is defiantly way taller frame to grille than the 84.

How deep is it from frame bolt surface to inside front lip that holds the hause. What kind of winch do you have or will work with this winch plate?

Keep us posted, And I will be searching for those custom bumper builds.:cool:
 
next time just cut the running lights wire and wire the turn signals into the running light sockets . works on the 84-89's. And yeah I hope the bumper fits better. I don't like the gap. That makes the whole set up look:censor:
 
500s alot for a bumper your unhappy with. IMO. There is a height difference in the years, the 3rd gens grill is about 1.5 inches higher than the first gens.

I just built a bumper off the TG mount and thought the same thing when I hooked it up for the first time. Heres a pic off of TGs sight. The mounts are all the same, it just how the bumpers are built.

Heres a bumper on a 2st gen pu, notice only 1 bar attached above the fairlead

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And heres a 2nd gen 4runner (3rd gen pickup) and notice that there is 2 bars which fills the gap.

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Hope that helps. :hillbilly:

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Rattlewagon said:
500s alot for a bumper your unhappy with. IMO. There is a height difference in the years, the 3rd gens grill is about 1.5 inches higher than the first gens.

I just built a bumper off the TG mount and thought the same thing when I hooked it up for the first time. Heres a pic off of TGs sight. The mounts are all the same, it just how the bumpers are built.

Heres a bumper on a 2st gen pu, notice only 1 bar attached above the fairlead



And heres a 2nd gen 4runner (3rd gen pickup) and notice that there is 2 bars which fills the gap.



Hope that helps. :hillbilly:

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I've been thinking about building one like these. Everyone wants an arm and a leg for a pre-fab.
 
Well I finally talked to the guy last week and we are going to work out something. I learned a lesson, and next time I will definitely be asking more questions. I also pointed out the difference in the frames and that TG offered two different plates and he seemed a little surprised. Thing is it would probably fit my 4runner perfectly... might take it home and try it, course I like what i came up with and it would be a good project to break in my new welder.

Either way this one will likely go on something I own as is or slightly "modified"
 
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