Mogs or Danas? (1 Viewer)

[fj40charles]

This is "outside the square"

How about outside the box and gay? IFS just sucks.

 

[the shed guy]

How about outside the box and gay? IFS just sucks.

Well, it is certainly more complex than previous common suspension setups, and not very well understood by most, and those with the least understanding seem to want to write it off, when they cant understand it.

 

[fj40charles]

Well, it is certainly more complex than previous common suspension setups, and not very well understood by most, and those with the least understanding seem to want to write it off, when they cant understand it.

I understand how IFS works and I still say they suck. IFS is good if you want a "mall terrain vehicle." IFS has not proven to hold up for serious 4 wheeling. No thanks, I'll keep my "previous common suspension setup" using coilovers and 4 link.

 

[the shed guy]

Big difference between understanding how IFS works, and understanding IFS.

Guess all those offroad trucks with IFS race in malls do they?

Though i see you have taken an important component of a good IFS set up, coil over shocks, to use with a rigid axle set up, so it cant be all bad.

 

[fj40charles]

Big difference between understanding how IFS works, and understanding IFS.

Guess all those offroad trucks with IFS race in malls do they?

Though i see you have taken an important component of a good IFS set up, coil over shocks, to use with a rigid axle set up, so it cant be all bad.

Coilover shocks are not an IFS exclusive. I have not taken an "important component" of a good IFS setup. Stop flattering yourself.

Most IFS equipped truck come with torsion bars.

Using coilover shocks has NOTHING to do with what you describe as "good IFS" setup.

The context of this discussion is rock crawling.

IFS equipped trucks still suck even if it is what you call, "outside of the box."

One more thing.. Why don't you discuss the strength advantages of the IFS? I'm sure all of the rock crawling competitors are wrong because they use a straight axle. I don't see any top finishers using IFS.

 

[the shed guy]

Coilover shocks are not an IFS exclusive. I have not taken an "important component" of a good IFS setup. Stop flattering yourself.

Most IFS equipped truck come with torsion bars.
Using coilover shocks has NOTHING to do with what you describe as "good IFS" setup.

This is the part where you show how little you know about IFS, apart from knowing how it works........

The context of this discussion is rock crawling..

I dont see anything in the first question post of this thread regarding what type of offroad work specifically the vehicle may be used for, and if 3 of the top rockcrawlers are playing with IFS currently, [which they are] it simply means they havent embraced more modern technology fully yet, while they use what they know, but change in this agricultural field isnt to far off.

Time will prove one of us right, and before long Im tipping, so i shall leave the thread here now, rather than give you any more chance to fill us in on what you dont know about IFS

 

[fj40charles]

This is the part where you show how little you know about IFS, apart from knowing how it works........





I dont see anything in the first question post of this thread regarding what type of offroad work specifically the vehicle may be used for, and if 3 of the top rockcrawlers are playing with IFS currently, [which they are] it simply means they havent embraced more modern technology fully yet, while they use what they know, but change in this agricultural field isnt to far off.

Time will prove one of us right, and before long Im tipping, so i shall leave the thread here now, rather than give you any more chance to fill us in on what you dont know about IFS

My comment about using coilover shocks with a straight/live axle was a disagreement about what you said. You seem to think/believe/reason that because I use coilovers with my staight/live axle, that I'm supporting what you describe as, "good ifs setup."

I respect your opinions about IFS, but I also have an opinion and I believe IFS is not the right solution for rock crawling. I can't predict what will be the best solution in the future because there will be new products in the future. I'm betting "off the shelf" outer for portal axles will be widely available before IFS gets a serious look in rock crawling.

Nowhere in the original post does the original poster ask for opinions about IFS. It is you that posted the pic of the POS IFS system. Based on the name of the web site and what Woody dislikes, I think it is safe to say this this is not about mud bogging, desert racing, or agricultural applications.

Let me say it again since you don't seem to understand. IFS still sucks for rock crawling.

I would expect more knowledge from a moderator.

 

[bad_religion_au]

not another forum sheddie.

shed guy had this discussion on an aussie wheeling board a little while back,

to tell you the truth, the first time i looked at that pic, i thought it was a solid axle with bends, like a solid IFS setup (axle is solid, not straight though /-\ kinda like that, with IFS like axles to deal with the bends, to transfer power to the hubs from the raised diff)

 

[the shed guy]

My comment about

Its ok, you dont need to explain

 

[fj40charles]

Its ok, you dont need to explain

Why don't you go express your "expertise" on www.Pirate4x4.com. I'm sure most of the guys don't know much about IFS either and would welcome your arrogance.

What happened to your comment about not reponding to the thread sheddy? Can't stand not having the last word? I guess it must be a tough job being a moderator where many of members think your views on IFS is Full O sh!t.

BTW, I saw your web site and it has several links to desert racing. I guess you're a little biased toward IFS.

To me, IFS means, "it fawking SUCKS"

 

[fj40charles]

Hey Sheddy,

I did a search on POR and saw that you've posted 5 times. None of these posts were
about IFS or any type of suspension.

Why limit your expertise here on ih8mud???? You should show the world just how much you know about IFS by posting in the General 4x4 section. I'm sure you'll get plenty of
opinions there.

http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/search.php?searchid=441802

 

[fj40charles]

not another forum sheddie.

shed guy had this discussion on an aussie wheeling board a little while back,

to tell you the truth, the first time i looked at that pic, i thought it was a solid axle with bends, like a solid IFS setup (axle is solid, not straight though /-\ kinda like that, with IFS like axles to deal with the bends, to transfer power to the hubs from the raised diff)

Do you have any links to the Aussie wheeling board?

 

[the shed guy]

Why don't you go express your "expertise" on www.Pirate4x4.com. I'm sure most of the guys don't know much about IFS either and would welcome your arrogance.

Is pirate your crutch....oh..oops, no it looks more like your back up, going by those 3 posts in a row.......... but then if you were happy with what you had said in one post, you wouldnt of needed to keep coming back after looking around for another crack......would you

Oh, and I wille ven help you out to see what else you can find, while you have nothing better to do

knuckledraggers monthly

Overlander
overlander forum

80scool+ [try the trips section ]
lcool

This may help get you started on what ever it is your looking for, and maybe even go toward making a more level plaing field for you on what ever you find, or wish to take out of context

 

[fj40charles]

Is pirate your crutch....oh..oops, no it looks more like your back up, going by those 3 posts in a row.......... but then if you were happy with what you had said in one post, you wouldnt of needed to keep coming back after looking around for another crack......would you

Oh, and I wille ven help you out to see what else you can find, while you have nothing better to do

knuckledraggers monthly

Overlander
overlander forum

80scool+ [try the trips section ]
lcool

This may help get you started on what ever it is your looking for, and maybe even go toward making a more level plaing field for you on what ever you find, or wish to take out of context

I was looking for a link to your discussion on IFS on another board. I like to see what others are saying.

Pirate4x4.com is not crutch, but rather a web site with over 20,000 members. I have yet to see a web site with the vast array of knowledge that is available there.

Sounds to me like you know your IFS stuff... Why discuss it here? I'll be happy to discuss it on POR too. The best thing about POR.... There will be more than 2 opinions to see and read.

I think it is a real shame that you're holding back on your knowlege of IFS.... Like you said, it will probably the next big thing in Rockcrawling.

 

[bad_religion_au]

hey, i wasn't mentioning that stuff about the Aussie board for ammo for anyone.

i think for probably 90% of wheelers, an IFS rig, and a good driver will see them through most stuff. i'm considering getting an old pajero or something with IFS for the "standard" class 4x4 comps they run in aus, just because i'd like to experiment and find the differences. i wheel with a huge 4 runner that gets hung up heaps with a wheel 4 foot in the air, while my non lifted stiff as sh!t 45 walks over the section... but the IFS looks/ feels so much more stable, and with a locker or two lifting a wheel shouldn't matter as much.

in hardcore 4x4 stuff like rock crawling, i can see why you'd like the extra flex.

remember a live or solid axle will push down on the opposite wheel when a wheels getting stuffed into the guard, IFS won't without some form of crosslinked hydrolic pressurised shocks or something. so agree to disagree, sheddie i'm sure you could outdrive my 40 with your IFS prado, so i don't think your full of s***, but again, live axle IN THE CONTEXT of rockcrawling is proven, well worn path, with consistent results, and probably less $$$ than working out IFS that works well in these situations

 

[Medusa]

This is outside the square

So it looks cool -- how does it work????? If memory serves me correctly Walker Evans competed with this suspension only once or twice, it performed poorly and he ditched it for solid axles. Please correct me if I am wrong.

 

[cruiserrg]

Yep you are right. He went from old school solid axle, to IFS/IRS (pic #1 below), to retrofitting solid axle in replaceing IFS/IRS (pic #2 below), and now runs a moon buggie on solid axles.

 

[cruiserrg]

please bring the IFS debate here: https://forum.ih8mud.com/showthread.php?p=246531#post246531

 

[the shed guy]

So it looks cool -- how does it work????? If memory serves me correctly Walker Evans competed with this suspension only once or twice, it performed poorly and he ditched it for solid axles. Please correct me if I am wrong.

Yes, you are correct,
he went back to live axle, instead of trying to develop the IFS while competing, and was buyilding a unit with IFS to develop while he continued with what he knew and understood.

How much worse the IFS was, in the set up they used, I guess is a little difficult to measure.

 

[orangefj45]

i'm getting a set of mogs.
imho portals are the way to go. you can run a smaller tire, which saves weight and puts less stress on the axles and you still have awesome ground clearance.
volvos scare me because of the parts availability and cost.

and you'd have to change the t-case no matter which axles you go with.