Yep. The pic in post # 10 on this thread is the M101-A1.
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Yep. The pic in post # 10 on this thread is the M101-A1.
this guy is in Canada:
Army Military Tires
he gets in canadian army trailers every so often...as well as more expensive sankey trailers...you may want to email him to see what he's got.
Army Military Tires
he gets in canadian army trailers every so often...as well as more expensive sankey trailers...you may want to email him to see what he's got.
Stopped by the place and talked with John. They have three left for sale, and it did not sound like they were going to get any more. These guys seem pretty plugged into the used Military vehicle side of things, and everything they are hearing is there are no more trailers to come out. The well has run dry. Price is reflecting this. Comment was...if you got one, don't sell it.
The ones they have will not be cheap, so if you are looking for that screamer deal, wait for it and jump when you find it.
These ones are well over a grand (ICBC paperwork included). PM if you want his phone number.
I forgot to ask about blasting/painting price if you bring your trailer to them. PM if you want to phone him and ask for yourself.
The ones they have will not be cheap, so if you are looking for that screamer deal, wait for it and jump when you find it.
These ones are well over a grand (ICBC paperwork included). PM if you want his phone number.
I forgot to ask about blasting/painting price if you bring your trailer to them. PM if you want to phone him and ask for yourself.
And just in case any of you have missed this thread...here is a very nice build taking shape just across the line. Has many of the same things I have been thinking about for my trailer: https://forum.ih8mud.com/trailer-tech/180129-my-expedition-trailer-build.html
Oh - I thought the larger ones were the M416's or something like that - this must have been mistagged - Mike told me this was an Iltis trailer and was recorded as an M101-A1-CDN? I'm not a collector so I don't know or much care...
On sand blasting I think if you have it ready to go then $200 should get it done.
On sand blasting I think if you have it ready to go then $200 should get it done.
#10 pic should be an M101 American - then there's the M416 which looks alot like the Iltis or M101A1-CDN's. The CDN's are often newer and in better shape than the 416's and have a few other minor differences..
Here's some info on the other models out there which I borrowed from 'Brian in Oregon'; (speaking of photos posted in another thread though)
M101 3/4 ton trailer. Originally the main tow vehicle was a Dodge M37 3/4 ton 4x4 cargo truck, sometimes called a weapons carrier. For this reason the M101 and M101A1 shares the same wheel and tire as the M37 (5-lug Budd rims with 900x16 tires).
Payload is 1500 lbs cross-country (mil-speak for "off road"), and 2250 lbs on highway.
Gross weight on the wheels is 2640 cross country, 3360 highway.
Empty weight on the wheels is 1225 lbs.
Weight on the landing leg or tongue is 115 lbs empty, 200 cross country gross, 230 highway gross.
From the photo, it looks like there is a handbrake just barely visible behind the spare tire mounted on the front of the trailer. The M101 had the handbrakes inboard of the angled frame rails. The M101A1 had the handbrakes outboard of the frame rails. There is a minor difference between early and late M101 handbrake setups, though. It appears this is a late M101.
The parking brakes are also different. There are three different brakes originally used on these trailers. M101 early, M101 late (which should be this trailer, notwithstanding axle or hub swaps), and M101A1.
Original wiring harnesses and intervehicular cables are also different, but in this case there are only two versions - early M101, while the late M101 & M101A1 are the same.
During the 1960's, the M101 was also towed by the M715 series of 4x4 trucks. These had incompatible rims and tires, requiring a spare to be carried. Usually a spare was tossed into the towing vehicle, but some units bolted spares to the trailers.
There are also M101A2 versions. These came out in the 1970's when the CUCV's were issued. These differed in having CUCV rims and tires, and almost always a hydraulic brake actuator assembly on the nose of the trailer. This was the only version that had road brakes. All the other versions had parking brakes only.
Originally, the M101 series had wooden cargo slat sides (milspeak is cargo rack) that fit above the sides, front and doors, and hoops for a canvas top.
These trailers are fairly large, roughly being the equivalent of making a trailer out of a full sized short bed pickup, though much beefier. They would not be a good choice for an FJ40 sized vehicle. An ideal tow vehicle would be a 3/4-ton full size pickup truck. Full sized Suburbans, Broncos and vans have towed them without problems. The main issue is that there are no brakes, so 1/2 ton brakes are a drawback in hilly country with heavy loads. These are the largest *practical* trailers for most people with full sized pickups. The M104 & M105 1-1/2 ton trailers are simply too large and heavy, having been built for 2-1/2 ton 6x6 trucks. A friend does own an M105 equipped with a 375 gallon water tank and fire pump, which is used for fire protection on jobsites in the woods. He hauls it with his F-350, and it's quite a load on logging roads. He also parks it at a job site, not at home. Generally the large M104 & M105 trailers are cheaper than the smaller M101 trailers. There's a reason for this. The M101 is practical. The M104 & M105 are not, and are thus less desirable to most people.
Here's some info on the other models out there which I borrowed from 'Brian in Oregon'; (speaking of photos posted in another thread though)
M101 3/4 ton trailer. Originally the main tow vehicle was a Dodge M37 3/4 ton 4x4 cargo truck, sometimes called a weapons carrier. For this reason the M101 and M101A1 shares the same wheel and tire as the M37 (5-lug Budd rims with 900x16 tires).
Payload is 1500 lbs cross-country (mil-speak for "off road"), and 2250 lbs on highway.
Gross weight on the wheels is 2640 cross country, 3360 highway.
Empty weight on the wheels is 1225 lbs.
Weight on the landing leg or tongue is 115 lbs empty, 200 cross country gross, 230 highway gross.
From the photo, it looks like there is a handbrake just barely visible behind the spare tire mounted on the front of the trailer. The M101 had the handbrakes inboard of the angled frame rails. The M101A1 had the handbrakes outboard of the frame rails. There is a minor difference between early and late M101 handbrake setups, though. It appears this is a late M101.
The parking brakes are also different. There are three different brakes originally used on these trailers. M101 early, M101 late (which should be this trailer, notwithstanding axle or hub swaps), and M101A1.
Original wiring harnesses and intervehicular cables are also different, but in this case there are only two versions - early M101, while the late M101 & M101A1 are the same.
During the 1960's, the M101 was also towed by the M715 series of 4x4 trucks. These had incompatible rims and tires, requiring a spare to be carried. Usually a spare was tossed into the towing vehicle, but some units bolted spares to the trailers.
There are also M101A2 versions. These came out in the 1970's when the CUCV's were issued. These differed in having CUCV rims and tires, and almost always a hydraulic brake actuator assembly on the nose of the trailer. This was the only version that had road brakes. All the other versions had parking brakes only.
Originally, the M101 series had wooden cargo slat sides (milspeak is cargo rack) that fit above the sides, front and doors, and hoops for a canvas top.
These trailers are fairly large, roughly being the equivalent of making a trailer out of a full sized short bed pickup, though much beefier. They would not be a good choice for an FJ40 sized vehicle. An ideal tow vehicle would be a 3/4-ton full size pickup truck. Full sized Suburbans, Broncos and vans have towed them without problems. The main issue is that there are no brakes, so 1/2 ton brakes are a drawback in hilly country with heavy loads. These are the largest *practical* trailers for most people with full sized pickups. The M104 & M105 1-1/2 ton trailers are simply too large and heavy, having been built for 2-1/2 ton 6x6 trucks. A friend does own an M105 equipped with a 375 gallon water tank and fire pump, which is used for fire protection on jobsites in the woods. He hauls it with his F-350, and it's quite a load on logging roads. He also parks it at a job site, not at home. Generally the large M104 & M105 trailers are cheaper than the smaller M101 trailers. There's a reason for this. The M101 is practical. The M104 & M105 are not, and are thus less desirable to most people.
I was curious enough to go look at the tag on my little 101 - there's no "A1" in there anywhere, just M101-CDN. So I'm still relatively sure that, at least as the CDN trailers go, that the 101-A1 is the 3/4 ton model that Kim has (and is no doubt planning to load up and tow cross country with a 3 cyl Pontiac Firefly...)
If yours is registered as a 101-A1 I'm sure it won't ever make a bit of difference. Yours looks like it's in great shape!
The 416 is the older US 1/4 ton like our M101-cdns. I believe the newest ones are Vietnam era. The 101cdn were made in the early 90s, so they're a lot newer than the youngest M416. Seems a lot of them weren't put into service, so you see some that look brand new - because they practically were when they were sold to the public.
I'm not surprised the "well's running dry" at this point. Lots of them went to the US by the pallet-load. I bet in a few more years it'll be really hard to find one that hasn't been modified - the military collector types are going to HATE guys like us!
Anyway, I'm glad I got mine. I might even get a chance to use it once or twice this year!
I was curious enough to go look at the tag on my little 101 - there's no "A1" in there anywhere, just M101-CDN. So I'm still relatively sure that, at least as the CDN trailers go, that the 101-A1 is the 3/4 ton model that Kim has (and is no doubt planning to load up and tow cross country with a 3 cyl Pontiac Firefly...)
I don't own a Firefly. Is that 3cyl a diesel? Hmmm.
A1 is US Believe it or not, I remember before we got the BOMBA ILTIS with the VW engine on my DND 404s I had SEV , section engineering vehicle, 8ton, 5ton wrecker, M113 APC etc... but when we got arid of our CJ7s, I owned a FJ40 the 7 wandered all over the place. Any ways to make a long story short I failed the test for the ILTis to put those hunks of s*** in reverse you had to push down on the shifter, It took 2 tries. You could hear those 101 rust in a summer day at wainright
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Lots of good info about the "M101 CDN 2" 1/4 ton Iltis trailer at M101CDN : Canadian M101, 1/4 Ton Trailer, including diagrams, specs and a scanned DND operators manual in the files section.
I have an M101-A1, Canadian military version, trailer with the factory plate on it. I don't think the 'A1' is exclusive to the US Military.
Ya I had a brain fart Kim, hey I will trade you that fridge for the MERC.
I thought you wouldnt,
some local trailers for sale
cdn M101
Tailer Military 1/4 ton Jeep Cargo
this one looks to be like a US spec M101 (3/4 ton)
UTILITY TRAILER, ARMY-UNIMOG BUILT
and another HD mil trailer. no walls though...maybe mount a turret on it and show those gangstas whats up?
Heavy Duty Military Army Trailer Like NEW
mines all but done now. just need new 6 bolt drums, and some LC wheels + 35's
cdn M101
Tailer Military 1/4 ton Jeep Cargo
this one looks to be like a US spec M101 (3/4 ton)
UTILITY TRAILER, ARMY-UNIMOG BUILT
and another HD mil trailer. no walls though...maybe mount a turret on it and show those gangstas whats up?
Heavy Duty Military Army Trailer Like NEW
mines all but done now. just need new 6 bolt drums, and some LC wheels + 35's
one thing to remember with these trailer is they are limited supply, so each year they are going to go up in price as the 4x4 community on both sides of the border is wanting to buy them.
I paid 800 for mine, in edmonton, at west ed equipment. He had about 25 of them.
I paid 800 for mine, in edmonton, at west ed equipment. He had about 25 of them.
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mines all but done now. just need new 6 bolt drums, and some LC wheels + 35's
What did you end up doing for wheels on yours Sonny? I'm debating using my old 285s and rims, not sure how or what's involved to change the lug pattern though.
You can just replace the hubs with 6 bolt versions. I can't remember where I got mine (greg_b probably does), but as is my custom, I've been sitting on them unused for a LONG time. Getting close to needing them though - got the wheels, just need the 35s...
Your tires will stick out a lot with the combo of 285s and Cruiser wheels (the 101s wheels have a TON of backspacing), just so you know.
Jason's cool fenders let you run 35s without doing a SO, should you want to keep the center of gravity down a bit.
I'm psyched - I got mine home from the Cruisin' Off Road spa yesterday, fresh lid, tailgate (J's tailgate mod is very sweet...), and a set of fenders ready for install (ok, I've been sitting on those for a year now too. Don't like to rush into anything
Your tires will stick out a lot with the combo of 285s and Cruiser wheels (the 101s wheels have a TON of backspacing), just so you know.
Jason's cool fenders let you run 35s without doing a SO, should you want to keep the center of gravity down a bit.
I'm psyched - I got mine home from the Cruisin' Off Road spa yesterday, fresh lid, tailgate (J's tailgate mod is very sweet...), and a set of fenders ready for install (ok, I've been sitting on those for a year now too. Don't like to rush into anything