Im looking someone to give me a hand with some suspension work on my 80. Should take less then 4 hours with a helping hand.
PM me if interested. - No experience needed.
PM me if interested. - No experience needed.
Land Cruiser help wanted for Saturday
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I'd give you a hand, but I'll be in Denver. Have fun with that.
I can give you a hand in the morning. I made some arrangements to be able to help in the morning
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Thanks for all the CSC members for the offer to help.
I now have it covered
Thanks!
I now have it coveredThanks!
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Narrowed front control arms, new bushings, and caster plates
Lets check out some pics!
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Phil's were milled, we have been doing them with the plasma and grinder (work!).
Then narrowing the bushings on the lathe. Have done a few sets, like this: https://forum.ih8mud.com/az-copper-state-cruisers/555519-washer-caster-mod.html
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Might want to hold off for the final results with the narrowed arms. We forked my 80 and took measurements and will redo measurements again soon. The seat of the pants testing this past weekend doesnt look like a lot was gained in terms of articulations. Numbers may proof me wrong.
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I doubt that you will see much in measured flex increase? The stock arms can be forced to flex, even with caster bushings. The narrowed bushings/arms don't run into the brackets as quickly, so will flex easier, require less force to make it happen. This should be noticed by; keeping the tires on the ground more often, having to go to the lockers less and ride comfort, less side to side jarring on the trail. It also should greatly reduce the forces on the brackets, reducing the likelihood of them cracking.
Most of the ones that we have done were straight to this mod, no history to compare. So, yours and JJ's are a good test, same setup, only the arms/bushings changed, direct comparison. The initial results have been positive, nothing earth shattering, but noticeable improvement in traction and ride. The possible downside is bushing life, yet to be determined.
Most of the ones that we have done were straight to this mod, no history to compare. So, yours and JJ's are a good test, same setup, only the arms/bushings changed, direct comparison. The initial results have been positive, nothing earth shattering, but noticeable improvement in traction and ride. The possible downside is bushing life, yet to be determined.
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I agree bushing life may be the biggest negative to narrow arms...I put my 80 tire on a 2' wall and the bushings did not like it at all.
camber measurements and feel
I drove Phil's 80 into work today
for some research.
After replacing the front control arm poly caster busings with non-caster rubber and installing the new caster plates I wanted to check two things:
1) To check and see where the caster readings measured up on the Hunter alignment machine and see where they landed.
2) Also to get a seat of the pants feel with the new set up.
Toyota caster reading from the factory are +2.0 to +4.0. The new set up resulted on +3.3 (L) and +3.5(R) which is nicely in the specs.
I feel that a caster bushing correction (like on my personal 80 and what Phil was running prior) makes for a great driving 80 and I wouldnt hesitate to put my wife in it to drive across the country.
With that being said, the improvement was still impressive. The steering is more stable and seems to "roll over" or absorb road imperfections. I noticed it first when going into my driveway over the street curbing and how the harshness seemed less. There is minimized effort of those minor corrections as you roll down the street.
for comparison, my similarly lifted 80 with yellow caster bushings (approx 2 degrees) come in at +.5 and +.6.
It basically puts the caster back to original settings like it was the 80 was a stock mall cruiser.
I drove Phil's 80 into work today
for some research.After replacing the front control arm poly caster busings with non-caster rubber and installing the new caster plates I wanted to check two things:
1) To check and see where the caster readings measured up on the Hunter alignment machine and see where they landed.
2) Also to get a seat of the pants feel with the new set up.
Toyota caster reading from the factory are +2.0 to +4.0. The new set up resulted on +3.3 (L) and +3.5(R) which is nicely in the specs.
I feel that a caster bushing correction (like on my personal 80 and what Phil was running prior) makes for a great driving 80 and I wouldnt hesitate to put my wife in it to drive across the country.
With that being said, the improvement was still impressive. The steering is more stable and seems to "roll over" or absorb road imperfections. I noticed it first when going into my driveway over the street curbing and how the harshness seemed less. There is minimized effort of those minor corrections as you roll down the street.
for comparison, my similarly lifted 80 with yellow caster bushings (approx 2 degrees) come in at +.5 and +.6.
It basically puts the caster back to original settings like it was the 80 was a stock mall cruiser.
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The print out results
