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[canucksafari]

I think the OPs picture doesn't have plugs, but your Turboglide pic does. What looks like a bus bar on the OPs pic is a drain/return line, methinks.

Sure looks like the same as a glow plug bus bar on a 3B to me. The drain/return lines are at the injector. This pic of a 3B's glow bus and injector lines clearly shows how it is set-up.
https://forum.ih8mud.com/diesel-tec...35-picture-3b-glow-plug-electrical-setup.html

 

[amaurer]

The DI motors have the return line roughly where the busbar is on a 3B - its not on the same part of the injector as the injector line itself like on a 3B.

 

[canucksafari]

Could be. It would help if we had a clearer close-up pic. I can make out two studs near each other in the OP's pic and was assuming that one was the injector and the other was the glow plug.

 

[Dbradford04]

The mystery is solved btw. Thanks for all the help. I will post the results on Saturday once I have looked at the vehicle in person. It will be a surprise!

Great fun!

 

[canucksafari]

The mystery is solved btw.

Why the wait? ... beside to annoy. Like most people, I hate being kept waiting for no good reason.

 

[BreckenridgeCruiser]

It's a 13B. But it has a B sticker on the head for some reason. 13B explains the glow screen and such. I've been talking with the OP and it is a strange truck. it has a 1981 steering wheel, but a transfer parking brake. It also has the pre-1974 rear door setup on a post-1977 hard top (wing windows)

 

[crushers]

it is a frankenstien

 

[Radd Cruisers]

Hmm... 11B valve cover doesn't match (that might just depend on the year) but the injector line layout and intake manifold are very similar:

Hmmm, interesting.....


Wonder if this would be a good fit for my 1st generation runner and what tranny would fit this engine...

Rob

 

[Radd Cruisers]

Trying to find info on that little engine, seems be a brother of the early B engine, wonder if the h55 would adapted to that engine?

Rob L

 

[lostmarbles]

Trying to find info on that little engine, seems be a brother of the early B engine, wonder if the h55 would adapted to that engine?

Rob L

Are you referring to the 11B Rob?

As I understand it, the 11B is to the B what the 13B is to the 3B. In other words, the capacity of both engines is the same, but the "1" in front shows "direct injection" (as opposed to indirect injection).

So when they arrived at the "11B" classification for the direct injection 2977cc engine , I think they must have considered (at that stage) the 2977cc indirect injection engine to be a "1B engine".



PS. Back at the time the indirect-injection 2977cc engine was designed, I suspect Toyota never anticipated making larger-capacity versions of it and so didn't see the need to call it a "1B" then (so they called it simple a "B-engine").

PPS. So I think whatever mates to a 13B (or 13BT) will also mate to the equivalent-vintage 11B.

 

[Radd Cruisers]

Are you referring to the 11B Rob?

As I understand it, the 11B is to the B what the 13B is to the 3B. In other words, the capacity of both engines is the same, but the "1" in front shows "direct injection" (as opposed to indirect injection).

So when they arrived at the "11B" classification for the direct injection 2977cc engine , I think they must have considered (at that stage) the 2977cc indirect injection engine to be a "1B engine".



PS. Back at the time the indirect-injection 2977cc engine was designed, I suspect Toyota never anticipated making larger-capacity versions of it and so didn't see the need to call it a "1B" then (so they called it simple a "B-engine").

PPS. So I think whatever mates to a 13B (or 13BT) will also mate to the equivalent-vintage 11B.

Yes thats the engine I am refering to, I kow its old....but I like the reliability and size for the 4runner.

That engine should then bolt up to the H55?

 

[lostmarbles]

Yes thats the engine I am refering to, I kow its old....but I like the reliability and size for the 4runner.

That engine should then bolt up to the H55?

All these engines kept evolving so I think I'm travelling in "dangerous territory" with very limited knowledge Rob.

I have a suspicion that the "year of manufacture" may play a part.

I know early B diesels ... such as 1975 .... are considerably different from mine. And I'm unsure of everything that happened to the 3B engine beyond its use in BJ42 models (which ended in 1984).

(1984 is probably the upper limit of my expertise/knowledge because my true interest lies really only in "40-series"! )

But, having said all that, I think the 11B came out in 1985. And I'd be surprised if an 11B engine couldn't mate to the same things that same vintage of B, 3B, and 14B can mate to. After all, the B, 3B, 11B and 14B all share the same FSM (publication number 132E) ....



PS. The 11B is a late-model engine for me!

 

[Radd Cruisers]

All these engines kept evolving so I think I'm travelling in "dangerous territory" with very limited knowledge Rob.

I have a suspicion that the "year of manufacture" may play a part.

I know early B diesels ... such as 1975 .... are considerably different from mine. And I'm unsure of everything that happened to the 3B engine beyond its use in BJ42 models (which ended in 1984).

(1984 is probably the upper limit of my expertise/knowledge because my true interest lies really only in "40-series"! )

But, having said all that, I think the 11B came out in 1985. And I'd be surprised if an 11B engine couldn't mate to the same things that same vintage of B, 3B, and 14B can mate to. After all, the B, 3B, 11B and 14B all share the same FSM (publication number 132E) ....



PS. The 11B is a late-model engine for me!

Might not be worth chasing with out any confirmation on the H55 bolting up, but thanks for the info....

Rob

 

[amaurer]

11B's are a bit scarce in the EPC - I can't find them at all before 1985, even though many vehicles got the 13B in that year as well. So I would hesitate to say that the 13B is a successor of the 11B - they appeared to be a simultaneous production... which is weird.

Anyway, Dyna's got a mix of B's, 11B's, and 13B's. I can't find any other applications for the 11B. Here is the breakdown by engine and transmission, maybe its a clue:

BU60: B M150/M151/M52
BU61: 11B M150/M151/M52
BU62: 13B M150/M151/Auto
BU63: B M150/M151/M52
BU65: 11B M150/M151
BU70: B M150/M151/M52
BU75: B M150/M151/M52
BU76: 11B M150/M151/M52
BU80: B M150/M151/M52
BU81: 11B M150/M151/M52
BU82: 13B M150/M151/M52
BU85: 13B M150/M151/M52
BU86: 11B M150/M151

Every one of those applications uses the same 31111-36170 or 31111-36220 bell housing.

So I might be wrong on this part but............

Since the 11B and the B/13B share the same bell housing on all Dynas, I think we can say that the 11B has the same engine-side mounting points.

Also, there is no difference in the transmission input shaft between the B or 13B Dynas and the 11B Dynas... ergo since the BH and the input shafts are the same, I'd say the crankshaft protrusion is the same.

... therefore... I think a H55 should work fine behind an 11B w/ a cruiser bell housing.

 

[Radd Cruisers]

Thanks, maybe I will try Dave at Japan 4x4...

Rob L

 

[amaurer]

Thanks, maybe I will try Dave at Japan 4x4...

Rob L

Be sure to make a thread.

I'm curious, whats got you so excited about the 11B over the more common 13B or 13BT? Is the 10% smaller displacement valuable to you for some reason? Externally they all seem to be about the same, ala the B and 3B.