Drop that sweet Raptor body onto a souped up Tundra...and I’ll take two.
Otherwise...it stays it’s cool-lookin self from a distance.
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Drop that sweet Raptor body onto a souped up Tundra...and I’ll take two.
Otherwise...it stays it’s cool-lookin self from a distance.
I've gone off roading in the Anza Borrego dessert with a buddies fixed up on 37s '16 raptor on multiple occasions. Even in the desert, the Raptor can be much too wide for many or the technical trails. It does fine, but in those situations, it can't pick line.
The 200-series seems to be more at home in its element going through technical elements. Raptor has plenty of capability, but just has to waddle through it to avoid body damage.
Once we hit the wide open washes, the Raptor is in its element. The 200-series is no slouch either and can hit the rough stuff at a decent clip with plenty of composure and suspension travel.
Comes down to how you think you will use it. Type of recreation you want to do. Truck vs SUV. Domestic vs JDM. Bulletproof vs potential Fix or Repair Daily.
The 200-series seems to be more at home in its element going through technical elements. Raptor has plenty of capability, but just has to waddle through it to avoid body damage.
Once we hit the wide open washes, the Raptor is in its element. The 200-series is no slouch either and can hit the rough stuff at a decent clip with plenty of composure and suspension travel.
Comes down to how you think you will use it. Type of recreation you want to do. Truck vs SUV. Domestic vs JDM. Bulletproof vs potential Fix or Repair Daily.
I was at the end of my loop around SlickRock, Mountain Biking, when I took this pic of these 2 on Hell's Revenge, Oct. 2018. Wish I could've seen more of how the 80-Series did vs. the Raptor.
I was at the end of my loop around SlickRock, Mountain Biking, when I took this pic of these 2 on Hell's Revenge, Oct. 2018. Wish I could've seen more of how the 80-Series did vs. the Raptor.
Hell’s revenge really isn’t difficult or narrow unless you take a few optional obstacles...and even then...massive tour vehicles with like 15 passengers can do most spots. It should have done fine...though I’m curious how low Raptor gears actually go.
Trails like Metal Masher might be a real change since it gets tight. Dunno...
Anyone know if Raptors have true, low range gears?
I wonder mainly because it’s aimed at high speed stuff... ?
I think the naturally aspirated, gas guzzling 5.7 is gone in 2020. All signs point to that.
Great engine, only problem is the 14mpg fuel economy.
Not all that interested in the turbocharged, +2mpg better 300 that is coming.
I had a 2018 Raptor this weekend, and although I didn’t wheel it (massive snow storm in the mountains here), I did put it in 4 low in a dirt lot and tried out a bunch of its settings. I can confirm the gearing is ridiculously low in 4 low, mostly due to the 10 speed tranny. First gear in 4 low at 2,000 rpms the speedometer was showing 0-1 mph and was barely crawling. It has a standard locking rear diff and settings for traction control off road like our CRAWL control.
I have a few small complaints like how cheap a bunch of things feel, how rough some of the shifts are when you really get into the throttle, lack of (good sounding) mechanical and exhaust noises, etc. BUT the only real material complaint I have which is the dealbreaker is the physical size and width in particular. The Raptor is incredibly wide, and I already feel like the 200 is very wide for some of the trails here in CO. If I lived in Socal or AZ or somewhere with big open desert type of wheeling, I’d probably buy one, but it doesn’t make a ton of sense for the shelf roads and wheeling we do. We should all be incredibly thankful the Raptor, Wrangler Rubicon, ZR2, etc. exist however, because they are the proof that OEMs need to see consumers want off road ready trucks. They also generally hold their value better than most vehicles on the road, so I really hope Toyota is taking notes for the 300. We are living in a golden age of performance vehicles and should be lauding vehicles like the Raptor and Wrangler Rubicon. The only major concern I have with these modern wheelers is how expensive they are - including the 200.
For those, like me, who are reading along and wondering how much wider a Raptor is compared to a 200... Here's a little perspective.
Width of Hummer H1 86.5"
Width of 2018 Raptor 86.3"
Width of Hummer H2 81.2"
Width of 2018 Land Cruiser 77.95"
Width of 2007 Land Cruiser 76.4"
Width of 1997 Land Cruiser 76"
Width of 2018 4Runner 75.8"
Width of 2009 GX470 74"
Width of Hummer H1 86.5"
Width of 2018 Raptor 86.3"
Width of Hummer H2 81.2"
Width of 2018 Land Cruiser 77.95"
Width of 2007 Land Cruiser 76.4"
Width of 1997 Land Cruiser 76"
Width of 2018 4Runner 75.8"
Width of 2009 GX470 74"
Wow.
Never would have guessed it’s basically equal in width to the Hummer H one. I guess the fact that the H 1 sits so low makes it seem wider. That full 1 foot width increase doesn’t sound huge, but it is. It would be massively problematic in quite a few trail obstacles I’ve squeezed through.
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Even just driving down a unimproved dirt road, the Raptor is massive.
Ryan I personally would only buy the V8 Raptors wonder if the used V8’s sell for a premium?
Like most (all?) 4WD pickups, the Raptor has a two-speed transfer case with a lo range. I don’t know what the gearing is.
Ya, I knew it had a low, but wondered how low. They don’t Seem to market it at the crawler crowd. Thought maybe it was like a “higher speed low.”
Wonder how strong the front axles are.
Ya, I knew it had a low, but wondered how low. They don’t Seem to market it at the crawler crowd. Thought maybe it was like a “higher speed low.”
Wonder how strong the front axles are.
With the high number of tranny heard it can afford to be good at both. Kinda like how the 16+ 200 8 speed has a ridiculously low first and very low second and third gears which makes it ideal for a spread of power over higher range of speed.
I think the Raptor’s axles are very strong. They put a brand new Raptor that was essentially stock (only mods were for safety) in the Baja 1000 and it finished 3rd in its class. As we all know, that’s no small feet. Oh also after the race they drove the truck home to Phoenix on its own power - no tow truck, and fully street legal. If I lived somewhere with Baja like wheeling, there is no question I’d get a Raptor.
The All-New Ford F-150 Raptor Tackles Baja 1000, Then Drives the Long Way Home | Ford Media Center
You may well be right.
Matt just drove one and confirmed it goes super low...
